TWiT 1106: The 10-Day Reply Guy - RAMageddon, HomeView, Ikigai, & the Flying Tesla Roadster

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_06] It's time for TWiT This Week in Tech and we have a doozy for you. Jason Calacanis is here, Gina Smith. We are going to talk about Apple's new announcements, the flying car from Tesla, the guy who got pinched at OpenAI for bugging the conference rooms and a whole lot more. TWiT is next. Podcasts you love.

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[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_06] This is TWiT This Week in Tech, episode 1106, recorded Sunday, October 18th, 2026. The 10-Day Reply Guy.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_06] It's time for TWiT This Week in Tech. Oh, God. You are in for a ride, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, everybody. This is the show where we cover the week's tech news. And we're just going to have a lot of fun. This is my last show before I go on vacation for three weeks. And I thought, I'm going to just blow it all out.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_06] Gina Smith, Dr. Gina Smith is with us. Great to see you, Gina, Senior Research Director, IDC. As I was saying earlier, she took my Comdex virginity from me in 1992, introduced me to Vegas.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. And you and I hosted a radio show together for eight years.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_06] Many moons. Ten years. And a TV show, too. Yes, and a TV show. That's right. The Personal Computer Show. There's a good name. That was my favorite. What was it about? It was. I don't know. No one knows. No one knows. That's Jason Calacanis. Hello, Jason, from This Week in Startups. And of course, very famous now because the All In Podcast is like it. And you still don't take ads.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02] That podcast does not take ads, much to my chagrin. Literally $50 million a year left on the table because I'm the poor, you know, like the poorest guy on that podcast is a cent of millionaire. The other guys are like, you know, pre-billionaire, post-billionaire. And like, they're like, why would we take ads? I'm like, because I would make.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_06] You got David Sachs. David Sachs. You got who else?

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02] Chamath Palihapatea.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_06] I knew him, but I didn't want to say his name. And you say it so nicely. Palihapatea. Palihapatea. You got it. There you go.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02] Right through my dyslexia. Which we were number one, literally on the trending charts on Apple the last two weeks.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_06] Oh yeah. Number one. Because everybody wants to know what's going to happen in AI and in the White House and in government. And you guys are all so connected. It's a really good place to.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02] I think the connections, we lost half the audience who were like your state sponsored. Pravda. Like you guys are all in the tank for Trump. So we lose half the audience, but then we gained a bunch of the audience. And then when we stopped talking about Trump, because like, you know, it's not going well. Let's just leave it at that. To put it mildly. It hasn't been going so well the last six months. So all of a sudden we're not talking about Trump as much.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02] And the ratings just went through the roof again because the libs came back and I'm like, oh, they're not talking about Trump.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_06] I wasn't going to listen. I'm not MAGA. But, but. Neither am I. Yeah. No, and neither are you. You're kind of more in the center of the. I'm a centrist. Yeah.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02] Independent.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02] You know, you're doing a, you know, you're doing a terrible job when the left hate you and says you're a MAGA racist. And then the right hate you and says you're a libtard. Like literally I couldn't be doing it worse. I could not explain my position worse. Everybody hates you. Everybody hates me. Everybody hates you.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_06] Literally. So I got to start with the Elon because of the new roadster singamajigger. Amazing. The flying car. That's. Are you, do you have an order in? I'm sure you do.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02] I didn't have the order in yet. I, my new philosophy with these new products is buy it in year two. Cause I have the 16th roadster. Didn't you have the original?

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_06] You had the original roadster.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02] You did. I still have it. Number 16 in the garage right here. And then I have the original, I have serial number 0001 of the signature of the Model S, which is now like massive collector's edition. But when you buy the first generation of anything, you know, Apple watch or whatever, uh, you know, they're getting the kinks out. And so I will buy.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_06] There's some, there's gotta be some kinks in this. Watch this car. Yeah. By the way, there's an optimist robot driving it. Don't worry. No human is involved. This is not fake. There are people in the audience. This is live. It's going upside down on a loop to loop flipping over. Then the rocket engines come on and it lands. Thrusters. What? Now, now. All right. Now my son said, can I buy that? And I said, well, no, I doubt it.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03] They announced this in 2017 the first time, didn't they? I mean, an announcement does it. It's just as vapor.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_06] Well, at least it's kind of real now. Right? Well, it's also, it also, uh, drove towards a car and, and did a back flip over it. But now my understanding is there are, uh, tanks in the back seat, many heavy tanks that have, uh, some sort of propellant in it. They can only fire for, huh? It's air. It's air. They can only fire for about seven seconds. So you ain't gonna be driving down the road and flying over cars.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_06] Uh, and also I imagine it takes up quite a bit of a room and weight in the back seat. And, uh, well, I can't imagine how loud it is, but it's kind of cool.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_03] It's a cool demo, but I wouldn't put any money down on this. Haven't they been collecting money for this since 2017 to 2018 taking orders? It was originally going to ship in 2020 then 2022. Yeah.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02] And they changed the design and they added flying. So I think it's going to be another two years now.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_06] I remember the cyber truck had a hatch in the back and a little mini cyber truck would drive out of the back of that. I mean, he likes, look, he's a showman and, uh, and he likes this kind of thing. And this event was clearly showbiz.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, I, he showed it to me like three or four months ago, that same demo. And he was like, Hey, check this out. And you know, we're personal friends, whatever. So he showed it to me and I was like, is that AI? And slop. And he was like, no, no, it's real. I'm like one more time. Let me see it one more time. And so he showed it to me again in the photo. I was like, that doesn't look real. I'm sorry, brother. Uh, you can land two rockets, but that, and it still doesn't look real price and availability

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_06] 20, 28. Okay. Quarter of a mill. Uh, if you want the thrust trim, the cold gas thrusters.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02] Now that's real. Um, so this will go that like, it's just blowing air out the back, which makes it go faster, but we've got, Oh, I get it.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_06] So that's not the, that's not the flying car one.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02] That's just, so it cars, obviously not street legal. That's Oh yeah.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_06] There's that. Yeah. So wait a minute. It has thrusters in the back.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. So there's three trim levels. One is just electric. Okay. That's going to go like zero to 60 in like one point low X. Yeah. One second.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_06] By the way, I had the model X with insane, actually ludicrous and I didn't use it very much because I almost would almost, I would read out every time I did it. I would almost pass out. Yeah. And I realized this is insanely dangerous, but that was three seconds.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02] And you, if you have kids, which I think your kids are older now, but if you have younger kids, they get motion sickness. So you have to, you pay an extra $30,000 to make this thing go absurdly fast, which is fun. And then you put it on chill mode. Yeah. Things don't go flying in the car and kids don't vomit.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_06] The good news is if they vomit, it does go backwards. It doesn't go.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02] That's fair. Fair enough. It's on a back windshield.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_06] Anyway, this thing looks gorgeous. I don't think one point, whatever second acceleration is really a good idea to be honest.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02] I think you get to the point at which your retina can disconnect at a certain number of Gs. You have this like problem. So they're pushing electric cars and then these air thrusters added to it are pushing the envelope toward damaging the human body. So you're going to have to like, we're hitting physical limits of human bodies can hit just like when you're an astronaut. Uh, this really, if you want to understand what this symbolizes more than anything is the

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02] merger of SpaceX and Tesla, which I don't have any inside information, but he mentioned on stage at the all in some in September, like in a funny way, like, wow, these companies are really collaborating on a lot of projects. It's almost like they're one company. Um, I think they'll become one company in a short period of time. Two to six months from now, they already merged.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_06] So they have not merged X.com, uh, X AI and SpaceX. Those three are together, but they're together. Tesla's on the side. A little pinky outside there.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_03] Tesla's still on the side. And then you add this to his purchase of echo star, right?

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_06] The, the, uh, well, that's the other story that he wants to be a cell company. Yeah.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_03] So the 800 megahertz spectrums, right? The direct phone to see satellite. Yeah.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_06] There's a problem with that. You still need, uh, towers because if you're inside, you can't see the satellite from the inside.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03] You still have to, yeah. Being able to connect someone's phone to a satellite is one thing. Being able to do that with millions of phones to a satellite is not obvious what he's doing.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_06] It's not obvious. What is he doing? Tell us.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02] Not obvious. Okay.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_06] It's not obvious.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02] Let me be, let me be captain obvious. Okay. Captain obvious. I'm going to go fly. Um, okay. The two companies are obviously coming together at some point, right?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_06] The reason he hasn't done that is because he's borrowing against Tesla. Yeah. I mean, well, he can't merge those. He's got to keep Tesla standing.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02] I think these two things merging at some point is an inevitability because they're working on the fab together to make chips. Right. They're working on like this in a little microcosm. Then there's the optimist robot, which has Grok in it. Tesla has Grok in it. That's a space X product. So it's all going to become at some point together.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_06] They share engineers, they share executives. Exactly. It's all much together. It's just, it's just a single. Yeah. Right. Right.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02] The shareholders want it. Cause they just want Elon to not be test switching between companies. It's like easier for him to just do back to back meetings.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, which is what he does. I've sat with them on these back to back meetings. It's incredible.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_06] Um, but what's happening with the, and then after the meeting, the executives pull everybody aside and say, okay, that's what Elon said. Now this is what we're going to do. Right.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02] Actually it's, um, you could write a book about his management style. No middle managers, all engineers. The engineers just come in and say, here's the engineering process. Here's the progress. And then discuss like, what's the next test. It is unbelievably efficient. There are no, there's no small talk.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_06] I know you're his buddy. No BS. So I don't expect you to say anything negative about him, but his reputation is much tarnished. You understand? You think?

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_06] And some of it is, he seems a little nutty, like too much special K.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. Uh, if you, as they said in the Saturday Night Live, uh, if you think I'd be a normal chill dude in the monologue, like, have you not been paying attention? Was he always the same? Has he, has he changed at all? Always. Not much. I think the political thing is new. Uh, yeah, yeah.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_06] That's a whole, you know what? I kind of understand why he's giving almost $200 million to Ken Paxton in Texas, which is

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04] obscene, but it's good for his business.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_06] He's in Texas and owning a Senator is always a good thing. Right?

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, as Will Rogers say we'd have the best Congress money can buy. My feeling on it has always been, I wish he would start a third party.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_06] I just feel like she would get out of politics entirely.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_02] I don't worry about either of those. I think it's bad for his reputation.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_06] He can keep it to himself. He can still believe whatever he believes, but he doesn't have to say it out loud. He doesn't have to tweet it.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02] The problem was the Dems were going after him so hard. They forced him to pick a side. That's the, Oh, is that what happened? Yeah. They were investigating everything and they were like, Oh, this guy's got it. They were publicly saying like, there's gotta be something on this guy. We can get them on. So they kind of backed him into a corner. The SEC was going to put him in jail over the model three. Cause they were like, you claimed you'd have the model three by this date. And they were doing an investigation to put him in jail. It's all very publicly known. Yeah. And so then he was like, okay, well this side wants to put me in jail.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_06] And this side is like, I'd be in the same support entrepreneurship. I'd be the same. Well, and if, and if I bribe this side, I can get the FTC to drop the investigation over the Twitter stock pumping and all that other stuff.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03] Well, I mean, his relationship with Brendan Carr is tight. So the FCC chairman, I mean, for sure.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02] Here's what I've learned about politics getting dragged into the last 10 years is like, all these sides are super conflicted. I'm an independent moderate for a reason. Yeah. And like on one side, the Dems are stacking this power all together and that's Anthropic and Reid Hoffman and like that side. Then you got Peter Thiel verse and Elon and everybody on and Saks on the other side. Uh, and our system is broken because money plays too big a role. I agree.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03] We've got to get rid of citizens United. That would be a huge mistake.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_06] That was the Supreme court decision that said a corporation is a, is a individual with first amendment rights. And so we can't stop them from contributing unlimited funds to campaigns, which is how Elon can give $250 million. I suggest you judge.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. If you want to judge Elon, just judge him by the products he makes.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_06] He's, but also he's too, I mean, I'll, I hate to say it, but I'll give him and I'll give Apple a pass. Cause they, we now know they gave $25 million to the ballroom.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_03] Ballroom. Of course. That this is business.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_06] It's, and, uh, I mean, I don't like it. Um, I think if you're a customer of these companies, you could vote with your feet. Although I know it. I still buy Apple crap. I still buy them. I'm all in on, on, on producing great stuff.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02] And it's awesome. You got to just judge his people on the books on one of the products they build and understand like they're playing the game on the field. When Obama was in Netflix backed up the truck and gave him $30 million afterwards to produce podcasts, like no podcast experience. And we're just going to, and like, here's a, your Netflix deal. Here's your Spotify deal.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_06] All of that was the same for the Melania documentary. They just, this is what they do. It's a game on the field. And by the way, I don't mean to make you a proxy for Elon. You're not, but, but, but it is certainly one of the stories we would have covered whether you were here or not. Yeah. There's a lot, he has a lot of power. And one of the issues is coming up is star shield, which is the military application of star link that Ukraine has been using for its war against Russia.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_06] And the white house has ordered a limit to star shield for the Ukraine. In fact, this turns off their ability to use drones and source so forth.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03] Uh, although they deny that Trump turned it off, but somebody in the white house did.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. Uh, officials said leaders at the defense department got a message that the spacex star shield service for the Ukrainian military needed to be slowed. They didn't say who this is from Reuters who had the, uh, kind of the exclusive on this. They talked to two us officials and a Western official. They didn't say who in the white house made the decision, but there is also. And I don't know if it's true or not.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_06] The, that there was a call from Elon about this. Elon certainly has opinions about it. Star shield is his product developed by space X.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03] And for the, I remember in 2022, Elon did he put, or at least he publicly said that he turned off the satellite during the whole Crimea affair. He said that was not like he hasn't done it.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_06] Get involved. Right. I don't want to be take sides in that. This is taking sides.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02] I think there is 0% chance. Uh, space X. I star link would ever tell or actually make the change for the military government. Cause that would be seditious. Like it's the government's product. It's the government's, you know, implementation of that product. It would be like Boeing or some military provider being like, Hey, we're not going to let you drop these bombs on Iran. And it'd be like, well, no, no, you're the provider. We get to decide where the bombs get dropped.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_06] This was the same debate that happened with Anthropic and the department of war, which. Yes.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_02] If you want to be a military provider, you give it to them. They make the decisions on how to implement it. And then you just have to be comfortable with that. Zero chance. Any of these companies would ever make the decision on behalf of the government. They cannot make that decision. It would be the craziest. Turn of events ever. So there is.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_03] It would be insane. Although Elon did say that he did it and made the decision in 2022. He did. He did.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_06] He said he didn't want to get involved. He said he didn't want to take sides in that.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02] I think they also need permission from each government in order to turn on Starlink in an area. So that's why you see announcements Starlink now available in India or Singapore or wherever it is. They can't just unilaterally turn it on in a country. Now, people hack it and they take a Starlink from the neighboring country, bring it into Iran, which I heard.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah, Russia's been using it, illegally using it.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02] Yes. And so then you have, you know, countermeasures. But, you know, the the problem with the situation now is I think you have a bunch of people who've been vocal about like supporting Russia or supporting Ukraine. And then all of that gets layered on top of this black box where we don't know what the government's doing. And this particular government sometimes doesn't disclose what they're doing or they do things that are unilateral and unclear.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_06] I have a loose relationship with the truth. I have a theory because, you know, the midterm elections are coming up. I actually voted because I'm leaving the country. So I've already sent my ballot in. But one of the big issues, maybe the biggest issue in many red states is the cost of diesel fuel. As a result, the president has dropped sanctions against Russia for diesel fuel.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_06] He's buying we're buying diesel fuel from Russia, clearly to lower the price of diesel to help him get some votes in November. Yeah. And I think this might be related to that as well.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02] I trying to get the war to deprecate a bit in order to get diesel.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_06] But also to be the interpretation of the Sunday was today. Ukraine has been bombing data centers to bomb refi. No, refineries, Russian refineries. So they're affecting the cost of oil that we buy from Russia, which we shouldn't be buying from Russia, by the way.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02] The diesel. The oil in Russia is only going to India and China right now. Yeah, I meant diesel. Yes, yes. The diesel fuel. But this is also all performative. The inflation is 3.7 percent. It's a complete disaster. I promise.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_05] It's not going to change anything.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02] It's not going to change anything. And they said this is like one day.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_05] It's still going to be seven bucks a gallon in two weeks. And it's not going to change it.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02] It's literally like two days worth of diesel. So it's all performative. You know, that's the other thing I learned in being dragged into politics, which is like my least favorite subject and politicians. My least favorite. I'm sorry I dragged you into this. No, it's totally. I apologize. Because it's actually an opportunity for me to reinforce to people like this is not my preferred subject. But, you know, all of this stuff is performative. It's literally both sides are just trying to get people to turn out for the midterms.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02] And it turns out the American public has a small set of issues that they vote based on. Don't start a foreign war, especially not in the Middle East. And it's the economy.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_06] And it's the economy. So James Carville famously said.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03] We're not talking about it. The very real impacts of turning off star shield. I mean, they've got the drones going at 100 miles an hour or something. So Ukraine can't defend itself. I mean, this is going to be a rough winter for Ukraine. It really puts a thumb on the scale in terms of the war. I mean, you know, we could say, you know, yeah, who did it? It was the government. It was the White House. They take credit. But what's the impact? I mean, I think it's very disturbing.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03] I mean, of course, star shield is needed or something like it is needed. But it's this use of it for political.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_06] And well, this is this is disturbing to turn us to turn it full circle to Elon. One of the things that scares me about Elon is his immense power at this point in so many areas. And this is just one more area that he has power. So you were about to say, Jason, what the secret plan is with the cell phones and all of that. What's the end game?

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02] Here's the thing about the power thing. Like if Starlink is not the best product and Amazon's new low Earth orbit satellites better and at cheaper price, people will go to that. Right. And if Tesla is not the best car and BYD produces one cheaper, which they do. It's like 15 grand for a BYD dolphin in Mexico City or Europe. And you see them everywhere. People will buy that. Right. So this idea that he has like this amazing amount of power, he's third place when it comes to the large language models. Anthropic and open and I are better.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02] All the money is going to them. So he can he's only as good as his products are in terms of power. And if there's plenty of Democrats who could give just as much money as he's giving, you know, including the Anthropic guys who are going to have much more money combined to give to political causes with their open AI and the Anthropic or they have their own nonprofits. They have a pack. Yeah, they're pack.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02] And so they're going to be able to outspend Elon in the 2028. And you just bookmark that for now. So he's only as good as his products. He has to earn it every day. If there's a better Starlink, people will move to it. Now, speaking of Starlink and I have a de minimis amount of SpaceX shares, I'm not talking my book here in any way. The thing that's happening with Starlink that should be obvious to everybody is that they will be direct to your phone.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02] And if every Tesla has Starlink in it and every one of them has a Wi-Fi network and they communicate with each other and they communicate in a mesh network.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_06] The holy grail of autonomous vehicles, by the way, of course.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02] And he's got a thousand of these cyber cabs already with Starlink in them in the Texas area. And maybe 50 of them are actually taking rides, whatever it is. And he can probably produce a half million of them a year. There will be a world where he gets to five million cyber cabs. Every one of them has Wi-Fi. Every major city you're in, you're going to connect to Starlink on a cyber cab or from the sky. And the direct to satellite connection is getting better and better. Plus, he's got other spectrum and people can buy spectrum.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02] So there'll be a bundled service for a hundred bucks a month where five people in your family. I don't have any inside information here. I'm just riffing. There'll be a service where for a hundred bucks a month, five people in your family plus your house will have high speed internet. And that'll save you. You probably would be spending 300 bucks on your cable modem and then five $40 plans. So technology is deflationary.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02] He's going to be able to provide for a hundred bucks a month what other people are charging three or four hundred dollars a month for him. So watch family plans.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03] No question, Jason. You're right. I mean, that Elon will compete based on his products and that's the end word of it. But his thumb is on the scale in the government. His relationship with Brendan Carr at the FCC for sure this satellite bandwidth thing will be approved. I mean, Brendan Carr just is a rubber stamp for Elon. Not his his competitors don't necessarily have that.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02] Do you have evidence of that or that's just speculation?

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03] It's not speculation. You can look it up. It's been. Go ahead. Tell me.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02] Well, Brendan Carr is. So this is what I think is people will take a tweet or something or just assume Brendan's in it. If if he is in the can doing something illegal for Elon or giving a preferential treatment that will come out immediately.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03] He was doing anything illegal. Only that Brendan Carr is on the record as being a big supporter and friend of Elon's only.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02] I don't think he's a friend of his, but he might be a supporter of his. Just like when Obama was in Reid Hoffman and Mark Pincus were friends of his. So like all of this, like, people make a major jump that something untoward is happening. By the way, all that stuff can be investigated. It will be after these midterms and you can be. That's a good point.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_06] And it will be in three weeks. The worm is about to turn. Yeah.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02] And, you know, you don't think that all of these folks know that that's coming. Of course they do, because that's what happened the last time everybody investigates the other team. And there's no way anybody's doing anything that would be anywhere close to illegal. It is the case.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_06] And it's only a smoking gun that Brendan Carr has green lighted every request that Starlink has made. Has lavished praise on Elon Musk. I don't know if he's turned Jeff Bezos down. Jeff has enough money to make sure that everybody's well taken care of.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02] I actually think they're going to give everybody who's providing cheaper bandwidth a green light, which is what we want. They were spending for rural Internet $5,000 to run Internet to people's farms way out there at the time when Starlink was available for less than 100 bucks a month.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_06] This is my problem, though. So this was these are the broadband grants from the infrastructure bill that was to. I mean, in my opinion, wire up these homes with something that would be lasting like fiber. I understand it's a lot to fiber one farmhouse 300 miles away. But the problem with Starlink is it's expensive to start and it's expensive every single month thereafter, you know, and I know because we're paying for it.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_06] But and the fiber, once you got the build out.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02] I don't I don't think so. No, I think they were going to spend five thousand dollars per home. It was five thousand seven hundred eighty six dollars to connect each home, according to just a quick LLM search here. And if you were to look at Starlink, all the people who were in line to get that, they all bought Starlink because they didn't want to wait for fiber. So we don't even need to buy it for those farms. They're not being given broadband because they can't afford those farms.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_06] So also there's plenty of rural communities. It's plenty of places and they are now for they're not going to get wired service.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02] They're going to get Starlink or they'll get your version of it and everybody will save money. But Leo, they're paying for it themselves. They don't need the subsidy. They only needed the subsidy.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_06] You can use these farm farmers as, you know, the poster child, but it's not just farmhouses in rural areas.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_02] It's rural areas in general. Sure. If it's Appalachia, those people, though, can afford to buy Starlink and they are buying it. If you look at all those homes, this is a point Brendan Carr started making. By the time we get to them with the fiber line in three, four or five years, they already have bought Starlink because people want the Internet and two bucks a day for the Internet.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02] Everybody can afford the minimum wage in this country, even if you have the lowest is eight dollars an hour, which is to say, you know, if you work for 15 minutes a day for your Internet at the lowest possible price, which is only five million people make that eight dollar an hour minimum wage in the country, only 15 million people make under 15 dollars an hour. It's so de minimis that those people can afford a Starlink or whatever. What is Bezos is called? That's coming. Leo Leo Leo. So they can afford Leo. I don't know that name.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01] You got trademark abuse again. Twitter now Leo.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02] You keep taking your trademarks, Leo. But the point is, poor people, the poorest people in this country, the entry level can afford a dollar or two dollars a day for the Internet.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_06] So we're more than they it's not paying 90 bucks a month. And I think it's going up. I think it's going the opposite.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02] It's going down. I think it's going down. I hope it goes down. If you're right, then then that guarantee you it'll be 50 dollars a month within two years.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_06] OK, because it has only gone up since I bought it.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_02] I think it's 60, 70 bucks a month for the basic tier right now.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. OK, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm paying 90, but who knows?

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02] Because you want broadband. You want a higher amount of broadband.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_06] I want broadband. And that was the whole point was to give the entire country broadband. Because nowadays, if you aren't on the Internet, if you don't have broadband, you are left out. Digital divide. Yeah.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03] Now, aren't there other companies also trying to do this? I'm thinking of Apple and Globestar and 100 megabits a month is 55 bucks, by the way.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02] So it is 55 right now. 55 for 100. If you limit to 100 megabits, which is that's broadband. That's fine.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_06] And I should say, in fairness, the FCC did approve LEO 4600 satellites.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02] I mean, I hate to break the narrative here, but it's things are getting cheaper and better. Sorry.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_06] If they get cheaper and better than I'm fine. It's just a massive federal subsidy that was originally going to a fiber that is now going to Elon. And, you know, maybe it'll go to LEO. In a little boat.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02] It's not going to go to anybody, LEO. OK. There's going to be no subsidy. These people don't need a subsidy. Because they're buying. They can buy it themselves. There doesn't need to be a government subsidy. The government subsidy is because you couldn't get it. So you needed to spend 5000 to get the fiber line there. Now you don't need to spend the 5000. It's 55 a month for the cheapest version and going down. So for but two dollars a month, anybody can have this.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02] There are only like the number of people making minimum wage in this country, federal minimum wage, which is a disgrace at seven dollars and 80 cents or whatever it is. Totally disgraceful. Should be 15. Put that aside. They can work for 15 minutes in the lowest possible hourly rate and have their broadband paid for. So for but 15 minutes of work a day, you can get that. That is a completely reasonable deal.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_06] And I think we would all agree that the best solution to this in the long run is to let the market decide and to get money out of 100 percent because that's clearly the issue right now is that we have basically people can buy politicians.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02] I love that we did this story, because what this story shows is that when you actually go to first principles and look at the actual costs and look at the actual competitive set, the problem has been solved by the free market. What's the next story that everybody hates Elon for? Everybody hates Bezos for that. The free market's not solving. Right. The free market solves these problems.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_06] The monopoly is the problem. And who's got a monopoly right now? You need to also enforce antitrust regulations. That's right.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_03] But the monopolies aren't illegal. Right. It's the use of a monopoly to do if you technically that's correct.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02] And then who's got a monopoly today? Like when you look at the monopolies today, it's very hard to actually find one. There are very few actual monopolies. You do have a couple of duopolies. Right. But there's very few monopolies. It's really hard to establish a monopoly.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06] Actually, cable companies are the most notorious duopolies. They were. And who cracked them? And we broke it. And we broke it. That's true. Who broke them? Yeah.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_03] The free market is throwing.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02] So now we're blaming the guy who broke the actual monopoly and saying he's the monopolist. He's not the monopolist. He's the guy who broke the monopolist. Sorry. Narrative violence.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_06] That's a good defense. I have no argument. We're going to take a break and come back with more. Gina, do you want to rebut? I feel like I'm in the middle of a debate. Who's running for Congress here? Mayor Jason.com.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03] No, when we come back, it'd be cool to talk about Nvidia regarding monopolies. Oh, we have a lot of that too. They're doing this acqui-hire thing as opposed to acquiring things as a way to get away from monopolies. The monopolistic accusations. It's super interesting. And we can talk about that when we come back.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_06] Let's, oh, it's six bells. So it's time to take a break. We'll have more in just a bit. I'm sorry. I have an AI that rings the bells in the sea fashion at the top of every hour and then announces.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03] It's very Star Trek in a way.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_06] He's my-

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03] In the enterprise.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_06] It's actually, it's actually, it's actually, I think it's Grok. It's, it's actually the voice of Patrick Ward Burton in the movie, The Emperor's New Groove, Kronk. And he is my night watchman. He, but I told him you're daytime too. So he patrols and every hour rings the bells and says whether everything's okay on the- Who's the sponsor? Who's the sponsor? The sponsor? Well, let's find out. We're going to take a break. We'll have more. You're watching This Week in Tech with Gina.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_06] Who's the sponsor? Dr. Gina Smith. We love Dr. Gina Smith. Give him some love. And Jason Calacanis. More in a moment.

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[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04] Thank you, Leo. Well, thanks, Leo, for that incredible ad. What a bit of an amazing advert. Say over, Bob.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_06] Actually, I should explain. Normally, I don't record those ahead of time. Last night, I was recording ads for my vacation. I had to do more than 60, which is a good thing. I'm not complaining. We had them, but I was in kind of a, I was on a roll and I just recorded all the ads, including the ones for today. And then I had a decision, a moral quandary. Should I redo them live on the show? And I thought, nah, I already got them. So we just. Yeah, I already got them. It's still live to two.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_06] The only drawback, if I thought about it is you are so good, Jason, with making my ads better. Punching them up. Yeah. Punch up. You should. I have recordings of him somewhere. Oh God, we got so much fun. We would laugh our asses on doing those ads. Going crazy. Over audible. You were. Was it just.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02] I'm on platinum pan to this day. 20.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06] They took mine away. Did you know that?

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02] What?

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_06] Well, I had the, like the original, it was called light listener, but it was 1495 for two books a month and they kept, I would get emails from Don Katz back before Amazon saying, you know, we can't really afford this anymore. Could you please? And I said, no, I like it. And they, and they didn't have the nerve to kick me off. Mm. But, uh, Jeff had no, actually it was Andy Jassy had no trouble kicking me off.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_06] So I, uh, I, uh, I got an email, which I missed from Amazon, uh, from audible saying, we're going to, uh, we're going to cancel this. If you don't do anything.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_06] If you don't do anything. And I didn't. And so they, in my account. So I went to a libro.fm.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02] So there I'm doing a platinum. I was just 20 books a year. Cause I don't like to think about it.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_06] 20 bucks to not 20 books a month.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02] I'm sorry. It's 20 books a year for like 200 bucks or whatever. It's, you know, 10 bucks a book. So sometimes, or eight bucks a book.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_06] And then you get a bunch of credit. Yeah. Lisa does that.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_02] You get credits. And so now I got three daughters. They're on it as well. So now we're trying to figure out. How old are your girls now? Yeah. Three daughters. No, they love, they love audio books. So good for kids. And they like to read too. So that's good. But how old are your kids? I got 16 year old daughter and then two 10 year old twins. They were little girls the last time. I, yeah, they're still. The days go slow. The years go fast. Leo.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_06] So do you know it? Well, you don't have to tell me. Gina and I both know we've got adults. We do. Eric's 23.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02] Apparently you've got an incredible entrepreneur in your family with this.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_06] Mr. Salt Hank. Oh my God. I am very proud. Did not use my name in no way. In fact, I don't think he even wanted to use my name.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02] He did not leverage his dad's name. He didn't leverage. Pretty honorable.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_06] And he's done much. He's much more famous than I am.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02] I would have been like, dad, can I get a couple of promos on the pod?

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_06] Well, I, I plugged him like crazy. I did, but he didn't ever ask me. All right.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_02] I have, he sold, sold thanks.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_06] He sold it to Mark Lohr at a wonder.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02] I saw it. I was like, Oh wow.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_06] In an all stock deal with, I hope that works out.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_04] Their IPO is next year.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02] You're going to be like, Hey son, can I dad get a little short term loan? I got a vacation. Lisa and I want to go on a little loan.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_06] A couple of months ago. He said, he texted me. He said, I'm richer than you now.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02] Absolutely.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_06] It's all time. I make more than you dad. All right. Gina, you've not heard this. This is Jason Calacanis back in the day.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01] Who's the sponsor?

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_06] Audible.com.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01] Audible. Oh, how I love audible. You don't have to say that Jason. No, I do. I have an audible account. Hey, this is Jason Calacanis, the CEO of Moho.com. And from formerly of Weblogs Inc. and Silicon Hour Reporter. I'd like to let you know about a service that I use and I love audible. Audible.com. The largest collection of audio books on the internet. All with simple, easy to use, non DRM, MP3 files. It is DRM.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06] I'm not paying you anymore, Jason, just cause you're doing this.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_07] Somewhere, uh, what's his name? And shitification is going to come on and be. Yeah.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_06] Cory doctor is going after you, man.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02] That's right. That was the best. Such a great era of twit where I would go crazy for audible.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_06] Yep.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02] And then Cory doctor would come on and be like, I'm leaving the show. If you have audible because they use the, he hated audible.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_06] He still does. He won't buy his books cause he doesn't like DRM. Yeah.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_03] Now here's a little piece of trivia for you. Remember how I did that biography of Steve Wozniak way back when? I was. I think I was, was the very first book ever to be published on audible at the same, an audio book at the same time it was printed. Yeah.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_06] Cause publishers didn't want to do that. They thought they would undermine the book sales.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. It was the very first time. I mean, I remember we did a big, the opposite tour around that. So I'd say 2006 is that about the time.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_06] I can't tell you how many books I've bought in paper. Cause I listened to them and I wanted the, the book.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02] I do that. I do that all the time. People are buying it. Books are just so cheap for the value you get from a book.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_06] Well, and all, and I also often will buy the ebook and audible has audible Amazon thing where they sink. The whispers sink. And so it just follows. You can look at the words as it's reading them, which is probably good, but good for your girls actually. Apparently that's very good to teach people.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02] For retention. Yeah. The highest retention is to be reading it with the audio playing and the word highlighted as it goes.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03] I can confirm that. That's, that's been shown in multiple studies. You have a PhD in cognitive science.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_06] Oh yeah. Right. Gina's a doctor in this. She knows.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02] That's what I wanted to go for. I was, I was going to go for criminal psychology at John Jay forensic, or I was going to go for cognitive industrial psychology at Stevens Institute. What did you end up doing Jason? I wound up starting a zine about the internet in 1993, 94. A little thing called my timing couldn't have been more perfect.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_06] That was a, that was the first one, which was about the scene in New York. Right? Yeah. Well, I did. Silicon alley. What was it called?

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02] Silicon alley report. It was the second zine. I had done five issues of, of cyber surfer, which was pre internet, pre web browser. And that was just about CD ROMs and dial up services. And I did it with the publisher of star log. Um, and, uh, Fangoria. And I had a partnership with them to do cyber.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_06] So it was a zine.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02] It was like a zine magazine.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_06] Did a TV show about the internet. I, all I remember of it, Gina is you riding around in a convertible talking about surfing the internet. I think it was, was it called?

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03] It was pre web. It was 1993 and it was a PBS documentary called the internet super highway driving on the internet. It's available. Everybody can download the metaphors. And, but it was pre web. So we were explaining Archie and Veronica and all these early servers. And you can, you can get this now, but somebody on tick tock found all these little clips from that. So where I'm explaining email, email, electronic mail.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03] You, I mean, literally, and they found all these little clips from it and they're all over tick tock viral among the people.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02] Look at a, I just sent you the link in the zoom, Leo. This is the first issue of cyber surfer. I do it. Brian Alvey.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_06] Oh, is it online?

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_02] Somebody bought it off of Chris frolic, uh, from, um, first round capital published it. This came out in 1995. So he bought the paper version. He bought the paper version. Cause he's like, he collects these things. And as you can see on the cover, um, there's a Godzilla and Darth missed the highest rated video game ever. Oh, TIE fighter joined Darth Raiders inner circle of evil Jurassic park, screen saving excitement. I was literally reviewing a screen saver.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_06] This looks like Fangoria.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02] It was like throw every single thing on the cover was what they taught me.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_06] Actually. Oh, look at the, look at the header here. Cyber surfing on the internet. Exactly.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02] Literally. How crazy is that? I started in 94 on these things. It was crazy. So this is, this leads into.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03] That's right when we were working for CNET, wasn't it Leo? Like 93. We were helping CNET do their launch. I was 23 years old. Yeah. You're, you're a little younger than I am.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_06] I briefly worked for CNET. Then they, everybody briefly. Then they walked me out the door slowly.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_03] Unmanageable. We were one of the first five or 10 people involved with CNET. Yeah. When it was still a TV show, not a website.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_06] No, it was before the, for me, it was before the TV show. They got rid of me, but you were on the pilot. That's the movie that I shot, right? With Dvorak.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03] I was on the pilot. Adam Curry.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_06] And Stuart Alsop. Dvorak. Oh wow. No, I was, I would.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03] Adam Curry was, cause my part of it was doing video game reviews. We reviewed mist. That was later. That was after me.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_06] I, the, the pilot we did was a round table. Kind of like this actually. Yeah. A lot like this. We were in the same room. Fred Davis, Stuart Alsop, you and Dvorak.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02] Dvorak. I remember. Yeah. She, she Dvorak. Exactly.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_06] The late, the late great John Cena.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_02] Late great.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_07] I love John.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_02] So he hated me, but I loved him. Yeah. He was my mentor. Why did he hate you? No, he, he didn't like my impersonation that I did here.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah. Cause it sounds like Edward G Robinson. That's why.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02] No, every time I saw, every time I saw him with you, I was like, he's so cranky that you named the show Cranky Geeks. Like he was upset at everybody, but John was my idol as were you Leo in the early days. Cause I was 10 years behind you guys. I would run home when I knew PC magazine was like, it was like the two or three day window. And I would go right to John C. Dvorak. Inside track. It was in the back. He would take everybody on. He would be like, nah, she Apple. They don't have the porch.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_06] It was the gossip column for a good industry. Totally.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_03] He's the reason I got into tech reporting in 1989 was that, that damn column of Dvorak and PC magazine. It was the only thing I could understand in the magazine when I first started to cover.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02] I always tell folks, like if you look at this entire podcast movement, live shows on the internet, it all goes back to Leo, John, Adam Curry, Dave Weiner. And I'm always tweeting like, guys, these are the guys who were standing on their shoulders. That's why I always make time to come on.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_06] And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a fake fight poster of you versus Ed Zittron. Did you get in a fight with Ed Zittron?

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02] What? I think people want to see that. I mean, this is the problem. This is like the AI slop is so good, but that is actually me with my shirt off.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_06] You look very ripped.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02] I do. Yeah. I have become more ripped. It's the peptides.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_06] I don't think Ed looks like that. I'll be honest with you.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02] No, no. That is Ed's gut though. You can see he's gained a couple of points.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_06] Ed's gotten a little chubby. So I guess we have to talk about AI.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02] Super intelligence.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_06] Ed, you should. Yeah, I'm sorry. Now do you. Are you in the SI camp? No.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, I don't care. I don't care what it's called. It's software. It's really the best software we ever made.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_06] That's important. I always underscore this. It's software. Great software. And it is a continuum from the earliest days of computing. We were just talking about this. When I got my first Atari, the first thing I did is I looked at it. I said, I want to do something with this. And you only had two choices. You either went somewhere and got a floppy disk in a Ziploc bag and ran that, or you wrote software. You had Atari basic or all these machines at basic. And that's what I chose.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_06] I said, I'm going to, cause I, and the first time you type 10, go to, you know, print hello and 20, go to 10 is a real sense of, wow, I can make this box do something. And it's a complete continuum to today where instead of typing anything, you talk to it, but it's roughly the same thing. And it's the same desire to get this. Silicon thing, this, you know, melted sand to do something.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_06] The only difference is it looks like it's thinking now and people really want to personify it. It's just software. It's just software.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_03] It's just another, it's just so much of this was imagined by science fiction. I went to meet Alvin Toffler and his wife and said, Oh, how'd you do all this futuristic things? Like, how did you make these predictions? And he said, Oh, very simple. All the nerds are big sci-fi free. So you just watch sci-fi and say, this is what they're going to build as soon as they was right. Even the flying car.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_06] Totally right. He was right.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_03] Even flying cars.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_06] So today or this week, Microsoft, uh, shipped its first, uh, Nvidia based RTX spark a windows laptop. Although they have, uh, desktops as well. We're running, uh, arm processors, but most importantly with a GB 10 blackwell kind of low end blackwell, uh, uh, GPUs in them that can run models. And the first thing that happens when you turn on your RTX spark surface laptop or Dell

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_06] laptop, or there, everybody's making them is it says, which model do you want to install? Love it. Cause you're running a local model on this thing.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_03] Love it. It's kind of heavy though, isn't it?

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_06] It's heavy. It's hot.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_03] It made me think of the old Dolch. Strong. Powerful. The 30 pound.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_06] Oh my God. Yeah. I forgot about the Dolch.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03] It's like the Dolch. Holy cow. Remember him. But what's interesting about that, the Microsoft surface story, I think is how it was leaked. Did you follow that? I didn't know what happened.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_06] No, I mean, he announced it some months ago.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_03] So the story was that somebody left a copy of left a prototype of the surface on a road near Redmond somewhere. And so some guy on red, some guy on Reddit, you know, shared all the data. I find it very unlikely that anybody left a surface.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_05] Here is a Dolch, by the way, if you want to see what a Dolch looked like.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03] We had one in my office at PC Magazine. And it was 30 pounds. Yeah.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05] They're luggables. We call them.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03] Full expansion cards could fit in it. Everything that you could fit into a PC, into a regular sized ESA expansion slot, fit into that Dolch. We put it on the cover of PC computing.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_06] But you couldn't do much with it because it was probably running DOS, right?

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_03] It was a DOS based. Yeah. Luggable. They didn't even call laptops. Luggables. It was a luggable. And I saw this and thought, this is awfully heavy and expensive, but not quite like the Dolch.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_05] Founded by Volker Dolch in 1987. Volker Dolch.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03] I remember him. Yeah.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_06] So let's fast forward to 2026, shall we?

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. We talk about that. It's supposed to be a beautiful, beautiful display.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_06] So this is really an NVIDIA product. NVIDIA announced it first. I think, you know, I have the Sparks, which were the original versions of these. They were running an Ubuntu Linux. I think Microsoft, my theory is, and I don't think I'm wrong, Microsoft went to NVIDIA and said, you know, it'd be really nice if we could get a Windows version of this, please. Yes. And NVIDIA said, sure. How much money you got? Sure. Because Jensen Wong is a good businessman.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_06] And so they're making them. NVIDIA stopped selling the 128 gigabyte Sparks. I have a feeling they did that because they wanted to put all the parts into the RTX Sparks. Yeah. I don't know. You know, I have a theory. All right. I'm going to run this conspiracy theory by you guys. Oh. Conspiracy corner. You may have information that will debunk this. Okay. We are supposedly in Ramageddon, right?

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_06] Ram prices through the roof.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03] That's a great word. Ramageddon.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_06] Ramageddon.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_03] Haven't heard that.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_06] And the Sparks that I bought for $4,600, originally $4,000, I think, are now $8,000 or $9,000 if you can find them. All of this stuff, you know, any NVIDIA video card, even the gaming cards have doubled in prices in many cases. Because everybody says, well, you can't get the chips. Why can't you get the chips?

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_06] Well, because the people who make the chips, like Micron, there are only four companies or three companies, SK Hynix, Micron, and Samsung, say, oh, you know, the demand is so great. What's the demand? Well, everybody wants it for HBM, high bandwidth memory, for their data centers. Oh. Correct. And how many of these data centers are built? Well, none. How many are going to be built? Oh, many. Yeah. Well, really? How many are going to be built? Many, many. Many. So they've taken orders.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_06] They've committed all their production. But all that production is sitting somewhere in a warehouse. Yeah. And increasing, so A, I think this is price gouging by these manufacturers. They're saying, okay, fine. We can charge that much. We're going to charge that much. B, they're going to have a problem when these data centers do not get built. Jason, what do you think of all the data centers have been promised? What percentage of them will be built?

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02] I think 95% will be built, but they'll all be six months to six years behind schedule because we now have such an anti-AI sentiment in the country caused by, you know, all the chaotic stuff. Yeah.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_06] And watch what happens in November. In a couple of weeks, you're going to have an election. And the signature issue besides the economy in many areas, Texas, for instance, is data centers.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03] Correct. And it's the perfect- The noise, right? The noise and the pollution. Isn't that what everyone's upset about?

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_06] There's a lot of mistaken-

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02] Definitely. Like people say, oh, the water. That's not the actual issue.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_06] That's BS. It isn't the water.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02] There's a giant hoax stack here. Water, it's all closed loop systems. So it doesn't use more water than a golf course or like- It uses- There are far more golf courses in America than there are today. Okay. So put that aside. Now in terms of noise- Yeah, perfect. So there's no sound if they're in the Permian Basin or like somewhere away from people. They don't build it next to somebody's house. Exactly. That has happened in Virginia, where data centers were too close to people. And they were fine when they were using electricity off the grid.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02] The problem was the demand for power got so high that it started kicking in diesel generators, gas, Nat gas generators. Those are loud as F.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_06] Loud and polluting.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_02] Yes. So that is a very small number of isolated cases that again, it's a hoax because most of these data centers are nowhere near humanity. They're put in the cheapest acreage anywhere and they're not running off of Nat gas. If they are running off Nat gas, they're going to where the Nat gas is coming out of the ground. Therefore, that's not an issue. Aesthetically, they're ugly in the same way a Walmart or a big box retailers, but again-

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_06] Or an Amazon fulfillment center, which are all over the place. They're putting them far away.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02] So there's really no objection to these because they also are willing to pay for the power.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_06] Well, there is an objection, but maybe there shouldn't be. It's-

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_02] There's objections that are hoaxes because they're, the people building them are willing to pay for all their electricity and lower the price of electricity in the place they're going because they're so valuable. Can they use sustainable energy sources? Of course, of course. And they are. You just have to get a lot of batteries.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_06] It's in their interest, I should point out, not to waste water, not to waste electricity because efficiency is really important to make money.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_02] They will go. They'll go to wherever the cheapest energy is. That's why you see them going near hydro. Part of the problem is- They're going to Nat Gas.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_06] Sometimes they go where the tax breaks are, which is often Arizona- Which is gone now. Texas- Are those gone?

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02] They're gone. Now it's the opposite. We went from five years ago, whoever would give the biggest tax benefit would get these to now, however much they're willing to pay the local community will get them. So that's flipped. They're no longer asking for handouts. They're actually offering money for your school system, for this, for that, because these things are so valuable.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_06] Because they're desperate to get these built.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_02] Correct. There is so much money to be made here to build them out. So what you're going to see is countries or regions that have excess energy, which would be hydro. Some places it's going to be solar and batteries, which is the biggest installs that are occurring right now are solar and batteries. And Texas is the largest geography for solar and batteries. Why? Because they know the energy business here and they're not precious about it. They're like, whatever's the best deal.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02] And the best deal right now is solar plus batteries if you can get them because they're back ordered. And that price is cheaper than standing up coal or even clean coal. Okay. You may have heard of clean coal.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_06] There is no clean coal. Bad news.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02] There's no reason to create a coal plant. It's cheaper to put solar and batteries. Or make more money. Or again, the free market has figured this out. Yeah. Nuclear is going to be the big one. Like right now, China's got three or 400 nuclear plants imminent, like in planning, breaking ground. We have like none. That's where we really need to like, yeah, get less precious.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_06] And we now have ways of making them safely, relatively safe.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02] Unbelievably safe. Like safer than gas, safer than coal. Yeah.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_06] We got to point out, most electricity generating plants kill more people than nukes ever have. Nuclear plants have. Of course.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02] The number of people is well under a hundred that have been killed by nuclear power plants. So just keep that on.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_06] Whereas gas, coal, any fossil fuel.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02] Those have taken eight, nine, ten years of people's life in places where they have too many of them, which is like Singapore. I'm sorry, not Singapore. I'm Shanghai and cities in China, which is why China is using less fossil fuels. Going to nuclear. Yeah, because you couldn't breathe in Beijing. And going electric cars.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_06] When I was in Beijing, it was like soup.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03] it was it looks not anymore though Beijing now has a blue sky I worked there probably eight months solid a couple of years ago they have fixed their pollution I was there in 2000 because of electric

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_06] vehicles that's right that's all electric vehicles so anyway Financial Times America's 10 trillion dollar AI infrastructure boom is starting to fray cracks are appearing in their debt-laden AI infrastructure boom that's data centers by the way because of public backlash we talked about that yeah shaky investor confidence in fact or I think it's Oracle's bonds are now selling for 80

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_06] cents on the dollar really because people go I don't know about all of this they just did a um

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02] an act of God clause in one of their data centers because they invoked it because it was taking so long to get the energy and everything set up that they said we want to do this act of God clause to

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_06] push out our lease six months or a year what um what was is God running for office what what act

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_02] no you have this act of God things that are under out of your control out of your control so getting energy to the location or getting your memory chips whatever it happens to be you can do that act of God clause in many contracts that it's not your fault that you didn't break around and build your data

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_06] center the financial time says 47 at least 47 large projects have been delayed withdrawn or blocked in 2026 at least uh yeah now this goes back to my original conspiracy theory these companies pre-sold this they have orders for it for data centers that probably will not get built they'll be delayed they'll be built or they'll be delayed and by the time they're built maybe the current ddr7 ram won't be

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_06] the latest and greatest maybe nvidia's uh vera rubin processors will not be the latest and greatest so all of this stuff is booked but not sold which means it's somewhere it's made it's sitting in a in a in a warehouse a i think there's gonna i think they're price gouging b because they know they're not going to sell this b when they do sell it if they ever do sell it the price is going to fall out

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02] through bottom out right so am i wrong on this no no here's what's happening um the data centers are getting delayed why are the data centers being delayed because anthropic keeps saying you're all going to lose your jobs and there's a 10 chance that the software is going to kill everybody stop that dario stop it now everybody thinks that smart people believe that there's a 10 chance that 7 billion people are going to die and a hundred percent chance that everybody's losing their jobs

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02] so the public then is anti-ai like my daughters hate ai young people young people hate ai because they're scared they're scared of it and they think it's inauthentic and when i tried to train my 16 year old how to use claw design because she's doing this incredible internship um at this beauty company i'm on the board of um and i wanted her to learn how to be a creative director so i'm trying to teach her logo design using ai and she's like i don't want to use it i don't want to use it i'm

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02] like you kind of have to so i explained to her like this is your future kid exactly may not like it but she's now embraced it right okay so now um i understand look what is the one way to protest but what can you protest leo if you want to take back your power and you're hearing all this the one thing you can do is go to your local community board right and say i don't want this and the local and if you don't stop it we're going to vote you out of the community board new york state has banned

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02] them there you go more so what will happen is you'll get a handful of states that are going to ban data centers or block them then you're going to get a handful of states that are going to block self-driving cars that's already starting to happen throttle and ban them so this is where the front line of anti-ai sentiment will live local communities just like they banned airbnb in new york they're going to ban self-driving cars in new york boston dc all those northeast

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02] regions portland will put has a cap on it now so that's where people will be able to take their power back then the other states that embrace it are going to get all these jobs all this money all these amazing taxes they're mostly red states i think and that's what's that's literally what's happening right now although people are working against their own best interest which is to get the data centers just extort and just get as much money as you can for them tell them if they want

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02] the data center here they have to pay the electrical bills of everybody within 10 miles of it period full

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_03] stop and they'll do it they'll do anything now jason it's true what you say that this whole thing is overblown about ai taking people's jobs no question but i don't know if you saw this uh research last week from stanford for people the ages between 21 and 26 um it's harder than it's ever been to get entry-level employment and i'm certainly seeing that with my son and that's scary because you've got

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_03] when people are using ai the number one skill isn't a technical skill right it's analytical judgment it's to be able it's the ability to look at an ai output and go i'm calling bs on this this is a hallucination oh there's some bias here and you need experience to have that analytical judgment if you're not hiring these young people who where are your smart 30 year olds going to come from

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02] where do you what do you tell your daughter she's 16 yeah so it's very simple uh jensen uh got this right he said your job's not being taken by ai yeah you're not having your job taken by ai it's going to be taken by somebody who uses ai i have a training program for venture capital associates in training at my firm and we hire five people at a time the people who rise are the ones who know how to apply ai oh and

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_02] know what the output that we're going for is and then to your point gina very good important point having the judgment to say this is what our goal is our goal is x and did it actually achieve x and if it didn't how can i tweak the ai to get us to that outcome you have to understand the outcome you're going for which means you have to have a systems uh brain you have to understand systems thinking yep and that is which is going to be your speciality in cognitive science so what i am training my

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02] daughters to do is hey what is the output here the output is we want a new logo for this beauty company and we want the logo to get people's attention so they buy the product or they engage with the product okay let's work backwards from that goal and okay how do you get attention okay you get attention in shorts okay how do we make shorts great let's use the ai to analyze what shorts in the beauty industry have been the most effective have the most comments so that's what i'm training my daughter to you is use the tools and then understand the business goal how do you understand the business goal you have to

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02] go to the ceo and the founder of the company and say hey what's our goals can you tell me exactly what are the two or three things at our company that are not working that are blockages and then you say to the ai what would a smarter person than me with a lot more experience do in order to solve this blockage and it will just tell you but people are so scared of using these tools and they're conscientious objectors now in some ways that uh they're just blocking their own employment and that's the big mistake that's a mistake just use the tools and check the work and understand what

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_06] the goal is from the historical point of view there's oh every time there's a new technology it's a disruption for the old technology so uh if you were a buggy maker uh henry ford was a was bad news if you sold horses he was bad news but that didn't and jobs in those areas went away but new jobs are created and i i don't i do think that ai more than people realize requires management quite a bit of management

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_03] yeah and if you require orchestration like nobody was trained to orchestrate ai but everyone's going

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_06] to have to become an orchestrator if you're a coder if you've ever worked on a big project you kind of have those higher level skills you just you've been you've been sewing everything by hand but you know how clothing is made so you can operate at that higher level my experience uh with uh a lot of the coders i know some of them are saying no i like to code i don't want to this ai it's taking my job but the smart ones are going yeah but the higher level skills i have learned about managing a team

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_06] managing a project are much needed more needed than ever with ai ai is like a bunch of junior intern level developers that need a senior manager to corral them correct and i think it's going to stay that way i don't think that's going to go away there's like why ai assisted cyber security is going to be so huge right humans add taste humans add judgment humans add a human point of view that

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_06] the ai just doesn't have and it doesn't have a taste in the judgment you think it will only be

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03] added leo if if you hired young people at your company to develop the taste well that's the

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_06] judgment that's that's the the one i agree i'm worried about there will be um that's why your

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02] son's working at a noodle palace yes that's a noodle factory here's here to answer your questions leo um i do think taste is coming for these systems you know five ten years from now it'll five five has a lot of taste it's getting there it's getting there so like you and i see it because we use um software to tell us what we should put on our dockets for our podcast and if you do that stories summarizes

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_02] it picked by it does a pretty good job of it because it's looking at the signals on social media to make

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_06] these so i have to say though the the undifferentiated pile of stories that the ai generates are not the show i've let that do that and it's not as good as if i go through it then parse it organize it so there is some human input but it is better than last year right you and i were doing this last year

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_02] infinitely better every six times better so yeah it's obviously going to get there but there is a super interesting point here which is um who embraces it and who doesn't and you will see large swath of jobs go away it's just the timing that people have wrong and can we create new jobs in the time uh that people lose the old jobs i will put out a premise here i think self-driving is going

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_02] to be the first time people experience this why that technology is ready and you start to see uh in cities that have waymos robo taxis etc um and doordash and zipline i'm an investor in zipline obviously was an investor in uber those things are coming and that's going to be five ten million jobs

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_06] in the u.s yeah there are 14 million truck drivers and drivers in the u.s who yeah are going to be out

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02] of work in five years yes i would say i would put the over under on half those jobs at five years sure what like the 50 of them it's going to there's regulation that's going to slow this down once i understand yeah so and then it's regulations that's going to slow it down but we will see it there

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_06] first where will happen versus in trucks by the way because they they're much simpler they drive on highways elon is in fact along with along with all the press for the flying car also announced the truck they didn't get a lot of press for that right but that's going to be the product and there

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_02] are 20 people working on self-driving trucks and there are people already doing them i think what you'll see in regulations is there needs to be a supervisor in the truck for five years but the truck will be allowed to drive for 18 hours a day or however many hours it might run 24 hours just you'll have two hours of charging so there'll be a supervisor in the truck which means instead of somebody driving for a 10-hour shift and having to drink a lot of coffee and do other things to stay

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_02] awake and alert let's leave it at that yes like there was if you've ever been to a truck stop you know what they're doing there's a little bit of methamphetamine involved in the trucking industry sorry to break it to folks but you know staying awake for 12 hours and being alert that explains their girlish figures they do no no literally is that true our truck drivers uh yes yes what they do is they put meth

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02] this is what i have researched and read about is a little bit of meth not smoking meth and being high just putting a little essentially adderall in your coffee yeah they're microdosing there might be literally a microdosing methamphetamine put it all aside i'm not making any judgments right now the fighter pilots did it too that's where it all started don't do it it's don't don't it's one of the worst drugs you could ever do is speed it's terrible for you well i mean

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_06] adderall is terrible too like i know i used to take adderall uh for adhd and then i decided that was

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_02] a good thing adhd is what why you're leo laporte by the way this is why you're interesting where i am from the show yeah you go from the show to wanting to do hardware we need to take another break i want

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_06] to talk more about ai and locally i do want to show this graph this is the growth of data center build outs starting from the launch of chat gpt that's that line holy 2023 not stopping billions trillions really being spent on data centers but it is again my contention that ramageddon is an illusion and i wonder if in the next year or so i'll explain the cycle when we get back

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_03] okay there is this important break this is what our sponsors are like back to the metcalf's law right the network effect that's right it's the boomer bus cycle just like yeah and and boy it's really been

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_06] anybody who's purchased memory over the last 20 years knows about this yes times are it's cheap cheap cheap and then all of a sudden it's expensive and it's cheap again and it's one of the reasons memory companies hate the business they're in oh yeah it's the worst business right it's like real estate memory business the ceo of micron said it's all apple's fault they they uh but we will take a break and come back with more jason calacanis

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[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_07] i like it it's the blue it's the blue on our noses i'm breaking bad it's the good stuff the good stuff

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_02] yeah yeah uh all right you wanted to know about the um take a screen so am i gonna get am i gonna get

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_06] ram next am i gonna get a dgx spark for half off in about a year because ram is so cheap 100 this is

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_02] um i learned this when he agrees 100 here's what happens um not waiting for them to build these factories right they've got it already they have a ton of orders they've sold them people might have them in warehouses they may be stockpiling them yada yada here's what eventually happens um everybody builds more fabs they build more capacity when the boom happens they all do it at once because they

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_02] have so much money coming in the orders come in people grab the money the people who pay in advance get to the front of the list so now you're sitting on a bunch of capital what do you do you build more factories you build more factories now you've got massive capacity the people who bought all that then already have enough memory so they don't put in this giant order again the next you know 18 months later whenever it is and now you've got too much capacity you got to lower your prices and clear out the inventory i know this because i live in texas now in texas the prices of homes leo have

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_02] gone down and rent four years in a row right if you see the chart of austin real estate it's literally an apartment gets 10 cheaper year and you're like wait a second i just lived in california for 20 years and i watch the opposite a year yeah and it goes up 10 a year and everybody is like number one reason for hating life is their rent and their taxes on their homes it's the opposite in texas because you can build whatever you want you have demand because of covet that's when they had their big boom 21 22

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_02] everybody built every type of home apartments rich people homes uh track homes everything in between they built so much supply that demand has plummeted because there's so much supply homes sit on the market here for six to 12 months in san francisco they stay on the market for six days or they're sold before they even go out buy a closet for 1.3 million talkers i kept all my real estate during the down thing and now i've rented it now i'm like i gotta get this stuff out of here i gotta sell it

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02] now before the collapse well it's a boom bust cycle it's like it's well it's the same with the years

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_06] are going to be crazy but those uh you know and they are you know the micron and others say well we don't want to build factories because they're kind of aware of this but they can't stop themselves micron's already broken ground on 100 million dollar fab for more memories in new york

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_02] great for consumers i mean it's like it's a weird thing that happens in our economy is capitalism and all this money sitting around just drives people to do unnatural things and sometimes those are natural things like the fiber dark fiber during the dot-com bust and boom bust cycle that created netflix and youtube right and storage companies did the same thing so i'm i'm uh you know

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_06] let's talk about something that has actually been in a warehouse for two years uh apple made this device designed this device literally two years ago to go with siri ai but siri ai which they thought it was sucked it's now yeah it's now getting there right so they finally announced this week the home view which is a little square seven inch diagonal screen on a base you can also hang it on the wall

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_06] they have a wall based version of it that's really just an apple watch or a car play screen uh it's

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_03] not a big feature it turns around to look at you it doesn't that's what we now call a robot no and

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_06] that's next year this doesn't even do that doesn't even do that in fact in the in the weird kind of family video that apple made the the mom actually manually is aiming it around uh eventually uh current mark german at bloomberg this is going to rotate next year it's going to rotate but right now this is the way it is because literally this was made two years ago and stored in a warehouse because they couldn't release it it wasn't ready the the software wasn't ready is this a product everybody's going to buy at

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_06] 300 bucks by the way the reason is only three only 300 bucks is because they made them two years ago when the ram wasn't so expensive oh there's your angle are you rushing out to buy apple freaks who

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_03] buy all apple things no matter what guilty that's where i'm a sheeple i'm a sheeple yeah i also

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_06] bought the 300 apple tv that's identical to the 129 apple tv i bought four years ago jason when leo and

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_03] i used to host this radio show back in the 90s whenever the word apple was mentioned on the show we used to play taps do you remember this leo yeah but that was right because it was gil amelio was the ceo and apple was dying apple stock was almost a dollar a share right apple by the way this week

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_06] is now a five trillion dollar company amazing there you go just catching up with nvidia

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_02] i'm buying it right now i buy everything bought it i bought it i buy everything i'm an idiot i'm an

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_06] idiot i bought the new apple watch was identical to the old apple watch just because in theory at some point this thing is going to listen to my conversations and give me notes i use the i use the plod which is incredible uh you have to press a button i want something that listens all the time

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_02] yeah i i like that i have to press the button but uh i'm kind of old now and i care about privacy

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_03] i'm kind of like a mccorry doctor i turn i turn all the speed all the microphones off in the house

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_02] i don't want to get my mirror i just now corrected my behavior i don't ever say anything that i wouldn't say on twitter or publicly i know i'm being recorded i know the ccp i know putin in china and she have everything i've ever said i think i'm the glasses owner i got my glasses i've had this product by the way uh in my kitchen for over 10 years whatever the oldest apple um the home pods

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_02] i've had a home pod you know what it is yeah it's the old ipad on a stand in the kitchen they did add one feature to this that everybody's been asking for on the ipad since day one which they won't add because they want everybody in the family to have an ipad instead of one that the family can share which is when you look at this it recognizes your faces and switches to your account apple tv you can have multiple accounts uh on this you can have multiple accounts on the ipad they refuse to have

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_02] multiple accounts disgraceful disgraziad that's the key feature here is that when i go on it it has my settings you go on it it has yours perfect for a family do that with the ipad and we'll just buy

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_06] the ipad and keep one of those in the kitchen it's so annoying but you're so annoying you're nailed it you know this is the first ipad like product that has multiple user accounts and it recognizes you

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_03] made a big deal about that yes this has been the wet dream of every hardware company since 1981 they want a computer in the kitchen and remember we've always thought that was obscene why would you want this messy computer in the kitchen but this is what they always wanted would you like a tissue uh just

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_06] so inappropriate you're right and i this is why i turn off the mics in my house what was the name of that what was the name it was it cisco somebody made a kitchen computer had a

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_02] cutesy name complete flop um radio shack the kitchen computer's always been the great device i have this wall unit that's android that's big it's like a poster and tells you what all the family's doing it's got all the family stuff and all the time my girls go up to it and add things to the shopping cart um for instacart or whatever ordering from and amazon and then we check it out and then they are

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_02] constantly pulling up recipes on it and because the thing's the size of a poster it costs like a thousand bucks for this thing i don't know which brand it is they can read the chocolate chip cookies recipe from across from the island and make it it's a perfect device but this will be on a great device i i like the fact that they use the apple watch i think that's kind of interesting format

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_06] but make it because it projects from your phone it doesn't have apps on it it projects apps from

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_02] your phone like carplay does right it's like oh that kind of sucks i want it to have its own

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_06] no it's installed apps yeah oh that okay now you sort of can i mean it doesn't come with spotify

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_02] you can put spotify on your phone and project it too i just wish my wish for john turnus is that he runs this company based upon engineering and what's in the best interest of the consumer not extracting profits i think under tim cook there was an obsession with extracting profits and they made profit based decisions that's not engineering decisions company i know but it's one of the reasons

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_02] why like i think they're falling behind uh in terms of innovation i hope he takes an engineering first approach the engineering first approach would be to let every device um have maximum memory memory maximum uh power you know and chip and maximum flexibility to switch you know based on they

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_06] kind of stumbled into the ai uh business because they made their phones have ai processors and then their apple silicon processors got better and better at that yes and now and all of a sudden at the beginning of the year because of open claw everybody went out and bought mac minis and apple went

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_02] oh i literally just bought the m5 max studio for twelve thousand dollars you bought the top of the

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_06] line hundred twenty eight fancy what do i care i'm so i'm trying to decide i'm going to be in uh indonesia when it happens they're going to announce the 512 gigabyte version well i'll can't mine's coming

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_02] december if they do announce i told my team give that to somebody else and order me the 512 because i want to run local models and local models are going to be able to somewhere around 28 29 i did a chart in claude i was like when does this cross over to being as powerful as like an h100 and at somewhere around 28 29 30 they're going to be as powerful as like an h100 but you wait until then to get them out no if you're a technologist and you're in the one percent like you and i are

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_02] you know and gina is if you're in the top one percent or five percent of society globally just buy the best thing and don't worry about it you can always resell it um and you're gonna the audience

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_06] knows i have eight local models running right now yes dual sparks of 30 90 a mac so you have

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_02] 25 000 worth of compute on your desk easily and we're going back to that by the way and it's no

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_06] smarter than my hundred dollar a month crockbot subscription it's killing me don't worry about it

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_02] it's going to you're going to be part of the tip of the spear like you did when you bought your pc

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_06] x t at no i remember buying it i'm sure gina you did it too i remember buying a digital equipment

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_02] pc a 48 or 46 ten thousand dollars in 1984 yes which is three x now that's three x so that four thousand dollar pc would be 12 now right thus when you buy a twelve thousand dollar desktop workstation now don't sweat it you'll have it for three years divide it by a thousand days it's twelve dollars a

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_06] day that's what i do so i am at elon because uh grokbot is so good and it's so much better than i'm running hermes on the local models and what i really want to do is duplicate drop drop grokbot's

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_02] capabilities at home yeah i don't think it's so unhinged i literally it's so fast yes and unhinged like if i want to do something on linkedin or i want to download a tiktok or download an instagram video or transcribe something it's like let's go sure why not then i asked claude to do it claude's like you know what um we're in a lawsuit with the new york times and i cannot um read the new york times i'm like it's on my browser this is a browser extension they're like i guess you have to cut and

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_02] paste it and you have to commit the crime i'm like i pay for the new york times so tell me about muse have you tried muse i play with it a little bit but i don't trust um gina have you played with any

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_03] of these agentic tools i haven't played yet with muse but it's persistence uh it gives me pause

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_06] they are yeah by the way every ad surface in the house has an ad for muse on it now yep they are going the only reason i could think of it is mark suddenly said i could make some money on this uh he's practically giving it away right it doesn't cost you can use pretty pretty heavily without paying a penny but that's only because he must be hoovering up every

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_06] bit of data i give it and and at some point it will the worm will turn and the ads will start flowing

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_02] oh no speaking of flowing did anybody see um you can see any everything did anybody i'm dying to see it have you seen it here it's great i saw it yesterday so paris and jeff best documentary of

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_06] all time i've heard that all right so this is for those who don't nathan fielder is the guy who did that crazy tv show uh the rehearsal right he's a comedian right he's a comedian but the show was like weird because it was like performance art where he would let people rehearse ahead it was just weird that he'd build their house and it was just weird and i tried to watch it and i couldn't anyway

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_06] apparently he's a cult phenomenon he and uh is oppenheimer the other guy the director that's oppenheimer who directed by the way one of the greats ren oppenheimer one of the greatest uh a couple of the greatest documentaries of all time one about the villages and one about ren fair he's a really interesting documentarian anyway they convinced elizabeth holmes the founder of theranos in the

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_06] weeks before her incarceration she'd already been convicted and was about to go to prison she's still in prison to let them move in and and film everything now no spoilers jason because i understand that things happen in the movie that are maybe a little surprising and unhinged i hear it is harris and jeff have seen it from our intelligent machine show and both of them can't stop talking about it in

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_06] fact they have insisted that they do a club special if you guys want to you want to be on it jason yes where they talk about it they're going to have a big sign that says spoilers and they're because they they're dying to talk i will give the non-spoiler review

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_02] please do it number one it's the greatest documentary ever made hands down put that this is what everybody's saying they're saying it's the best picture of the year it is the best picture of this year i will say it's in the top five films of the 20th 21st century how can it be that good

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_06] it's not fiction right it's non-fiction it's a documentary and there she is not blinking and

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_03] staring at the screen we all saw that weird clip yeah that clip was so weird so it i wouldn't deceive

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_02] you on multiple layers uh that are so prescient in our culture one of the layers it works on is the search for truth right one of the layers is fake it till you make it in the technology industry right another one is uh are people on the spectrum with asperger's are they sociopaths are they lying incessantly are they compulsive liars or are they just delusional early and misunderstood and

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_02] delusional right and so we get into this all the time where dario or you know elon has a flying car or dario thinks there's a 10 chance that we're all going to die tech people are out there right and then sometimes they're out there and they're on the spectrum and then sometimes they're out there on the spectrum and are they committing fraud like the ftx guy or as elizabeth holmes was um

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_02] uh found guilty of and so it really does challenge all of your thinking on those things and as somebody who knows elizabeth holmes and knows everybody in the industry and has been commenting on it you know elizabeth holmes i do know her i do know her yes i met her a couple times so you knew her from before

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_06] i knew her while she was building theranos on a very cursory basis did you have any suspicions at

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_02] all about the whole thing when the first thing started i went on cnbc and said i think this is going to be one of the biggest frauds in the history of our industry really because if i called it uh because i had john carrie rue on my podcast after the first um after his first story wall street journal

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_03] reporter who broke who broke the story who is upset that he wasn't allowed to do this interview for the documentary but why would she let john carrie she hates john carrie they had a funny thing is

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_06] carrie was very kind of bitter about the documentary but he also said it's the best film of all time so

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_02] i mean i think he's rightfully upset that he never got to interview her yeah because he was the first on the story he should have won a pulitzer for it let's put it aside the fact that he didn't win a pulitzer is a crime they should give him one you know post it happened but broke it at the core of all of this you know the reason i knew there was a fraud going on here or there was something fishy however you want to frame it was because if you had the technology and you were under that much

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_02] scrutiny the right thing to do would be to show it the machine she never you would just show it

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_06] immediately not even her biggest customer walmart net exactly and so well but here's the thing

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_02] in the age of ai we will be sitting here in the next 10 years i'm making a prediction in the next 10 years within 10 years from today's date october 18th 2026 with by october 18th 2036 someone will have succeeded to some extent some reasonable extent what the mission of theranos was which was to take a small amount of blood and give a large number of test results it'll how will

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_03] they do that they'll do it with super intelligence and arrays arrays super intelligent arrays yes and

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_06] so that's the hard part by the way is not the intelligence it's the take it's the reading a tiny

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_02] amount of blood but if anything can figure it out it will be ai yeah and so instead of getting that huge draw where you get like what do they do when you do a full blood panel like seven or eight of these things after yeah you're in the six seven test tube when i did it and so i think somebody's going to be able to do it with let's say one test tube or half a test tube and we will be sitting here in 2036 saying eliz or some group of people are saying elizabeth holmes was 100 correct it can be done

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_02] because everything can be done with technology it's just a matter of when and we used to make fun of

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_03] the newton like a lot of fun of course the newton the palm pilot yeah i love the newton i learned quite

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_06] a few of them and i knew that this was the form factor of the future but it was missing something as it turns out internet access yes that's what it was missing so i have a question and it's

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_03] i guess probably for jason uh in in an age where all these really corrupt people in prison are basically paying the administration and getting pardons and getting out of prison why isn't she out of prison

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_02] is she okay this is a great question she's coming out in february march people don't know this that's what i think she's she's coming out in the first quarter of next year to a halfway house and so that i think is public but i got the inside line on this i was told billy just you're wondering gina why she hasn't been pardoned well why she if you want to be parted you need to give a million dollars that's for the administration i don't know if she has the million dollars or not

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_02] but billy does her husband maybe i don't know uh in this film there seemed to be some debate around how much money he had access to um putting all that aside because don't know spoilers no spoilers review the review is the first half is what you've been told about which is these are the 30 days before she goes to jail right the second half is the actual film and there are there's a character introduced

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_02] in the second half which i won't say that then blows the whole thing open and you get into the nathan for you nathan's meta commentary in a way that is so unexpected and there are three turns in the second half of the film there are literally three turns that your mind gets blown every 15 20 minutes and that's why it's so powerful the first half would have been the documentary of the year

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_02] the second half makes it the film of the year and the film of the 21st century today 26 years into the side it is it's like three hours long right and the three hours i if they told me i could stay

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_06] in my seat and watch it again i would have stayed in my seat and watch paris has already seen it again

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_02] paris has seen it twice i cannot wait to see it again i cannot wait for you guys to see it and talk to you about it if it is so mind-blowing what happens in the second half of this film that and i don't want to oversell it now but i am a fan of film i've always been and and for me this was like right in my wheelhouse of like what is truth right and we live in an era where like who's an expert what is truth

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_02] we're in a post-truth age post-truth age and then every who's evil who's manipulating who's being manipulated it came up multiple times here on this very podcast we have no anchoring to reality like we don't know we can't figure it out it because everybody's got an agenda there's too many conflicting

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_06] agendas i've been saying this yes and you have you don't know what all the subtexts are because

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_02] there's multiple agendas with every single person we just did it for russia ukraine starry you know john turnus versus tim cook versus this device and what are they optimized it's impossible for the subjective person on the street to know what what's real precisely and so this film encapsulates that better than any discussion or media property that has ever been done to date and so he just hit the

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_02] zeitgeist so perfectly that i i cannot think of another moment in time maybe bowling for columbine that you know you just hit and you couldn't stop talking about that movie pulp fiction perhaps i'm trying to think of a film that the matrix the matrix would be a perfect example it has like well leo would know about that what was that like well when i was a kid yeah when you saw it on your 50th

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_06] birthday leo i think the matrix is the best example i remember i didn't know anything about the matrix

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_02] i went in and i came out yes with my eyes like this i i cannot discuss it right now because i don't want to give any of the spoilers don't spoil it we want everybody to but i think i gave you enough

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_06] yeah without and so i would say to everybody don't read any reviews any no stay off social media ban it

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_02] from your social media i've been trying to because everybody's talking about it now that's why i went at 11 30 in the morning so you have to see i could go tomorrow morning at 10 a.m it's only in theaters go at 2 a.m if there's a 2 a.m screening do stop what you're doing jump off this podcast immediately maybe i should change your plans you because i'm getting on an airplane tomorrow night i won't be able to watch it and go go see you and lisa are going to have your minds blown go i don't

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_03] know what put a breakfast burrito in your bag and go now i don't know about petaluma or texas but in seattle it's only playing three days in theaters and only at one theater friday night no 40 friday saturday they'll change that they'll change it because that's because they thought nobody would

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02] want to see it queen am yeah i mean it's it is so next level it's it's a it's unbelievable it's incredible i i'm just looking at this he's going on his fandango here you go if you want to

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_06] see the film dango baby do this i'm going to see if it's showing in the petaluma dango let's see if it's showing in the petaluma area you just scroll past it go back up did i i really can't understand how she was able to see larry ellison look at blue eyes okay check seats check seats uh maybe i'll maybe tomorrow not today right like i changed the day way does she really not blink in the in the movie

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_02] that was the cinematographer of this and how they filmed it they also need an award because they they are so tight on her without the camera being tight so they're filming it like a documentary team far away but they use the focal lens that gets so close just go just go leo just go 11 30 a.m

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_06] in god i got two seats for 11 for 11 30 a.m at the cinema west anybody wants to join me

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_02] get in there with leo stalkers here's your chance here's your chance to get a selfie with leo

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_06] uh oh hey i'm a senior i get a dollar off yeah she yeah i mean jcd are gonna go take a dollar off

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_02] dvorak's gonna come home you know what come back from the grave tickets are free if you're dead

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_06] uh no i'm not well that's the title of the show

[01:39:29] [SPEAKER_02] tickets are free john c dvorak would have loved to tell you like his conspiracy corner like this feeds right into his totally in his wheelhouse this would be yeah he would have loved this movie i bet you're right

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_06] i see everybody's a scam artist all right you mentioned the newton i gotta mention the iphone duo which went on sale on friday i set my alarm i got up at 10 minutes to 5 a.m is that the foldable one that's the foldable one okay uh i uh i uh i got you know you go to the apple store it said oh we really love that early morning energy just hang on hang on hang on

[01:40:06] [SPEAKER_06] hang on refresh it a few times hang on hang on finally like 505 it opens up i'd already pre-saved everything so all i had is to press one button it said congratulations you own an iphone duo it'll be arriving december 7th that by then they had they had slipped a month more than a month is that right

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_06] yeah i think so it's october 23rd is was the ostensible ship date december 7th if you ordered it an hour later it's january of next year now a number of people have complained and i think this is the case that apple was scalped that people use their grokbot

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_06] i blame you uh grokbot people oh i got tickets well that was easy congratulations did your grokbot get them or you got no i got them i should have asked the grokbot uh it was a little too easy to buy those tickets now i don't know what happens now it's 11 a.m leo yeah this is no this is like

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_02] serious old man behavior the theater was buying 8 a.m tickets yeah i mean i did 11 30 i love i am now in my old man era i am in my john c devorek era i would go see this at 9 a.m 8 a.m and oh so great

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_06] all right so i'm going tomorrow morning right after my tai chi class and you're going to tomorrow night all right we all have to go see it before the spoilers ruin it so good i don't want to oversell it but it is so so good uh there was a number of people if there was one guy on x a deleted tweet now who said yeah we spent four hundred thousand dollars in the first few seconds of the apple uh duo because we were going to scalp them on ebay and they are selling on ebay now for thousands more

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_06] than the genius list price that's genius maybe but is there anything apple can do about this that is who cares they'll have so many out it'll be fine who cares who cares like i don't want the guy to make some

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_02] money no actually i don't care i was fine with this people doing crazy stuff i know i was fine i mean it's everything is anything that can be hacked will be hacked and everything is with these agents are going to be super mega hacked people are doing this for restaurant reservations now oh yeah there are like there's an aftermarket for like the hard reservation so people are buying they're getting the reservation six months out and then they sell them to other people like on these back channels uh

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_02] uh and uh that is uh disgraciate as well but it is well what are you gonna do i guess you can't i

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_06] mean everybody's gotta hustle man everybody's gotta hustle this is why cyber security is going to

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_03] explode as a career choice for all the people out here right i mean your son needs to get out of the noodle factory in his cyber security well he has his uh cyber security certification from uh what's he working on a factory for because he's sending out resumes everywhere it's hard to get a job he'll get one it's the lowest unemployment of our lifetime he's got his comptia plus a certification which is a base level oh yeah that's what you need yeah yeah he's got the microsoft one the first

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_03] microsoft one he's collecting now he's a cyber security fellow at university of washington is he making noodles no he's not making noodles he's smashing noodles he's eating them he's somehow in business development he speaks chinese okay right eric speaks chinese so they roll him out you know he's not a

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_06] he's not earning minimum wage making noodles at the noodle factory he is no he's working at an executive

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_03] at a noodle factory executive is strong he's 23 but he's doing this dev and speaking mandarin to their you know customers and stuff they're rolling out you know eric and his well congratulations we're

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_06] going to take a break when we come back speaking of secret agents they caught one at open ai what a story this is you hang on jason calacana says it's insane bug in the conference room yeah oh you already know all about it genus yeah dr genus smith she's i didn't mention the senior research director at idc

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_03] what do you do at idc what do you research uh i research ai training oh ai skills how are we going to kill everybody up to work with ai and jobs ai jobs all the stuff we've been so you're kind of an expert on this topic yeah oh okay sort of sort of to the degree anyone's an expert this early in the game

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_06] well but is it your opinion uh that there will be jobs that it's not that people no it's just what y'all

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_03] said it's you know there'll be huge amounts of new jobs or they're different ai but they'll be different and these young people are going to lose their entry-level eight ai you maybe want to rethink

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_06] it i think some of this honestly i think some of it is the uncanny valley effect where people have

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_03] actually have a visceral a lot of it will be handled by regulation in china and in europe they're making it they're starting to make it so you can't just fire someone and replace it with ai without retraining them into an ai assisted job and i'd love to see china did that that's right yeah yeah

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_06] it's it's really happening isn't it funny that they're they're more enlightened than we are about

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_03] this whole thing they're more community oriented i'll tell you china was a great place to live for

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_06] me during the pandemic especially when eric was a kid right yeah up there yeah that's why he speaks

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_03] chinese yeah but isn't it cantonese it's cantonese no he speaks mandarin because they study it in school they have to in hong kong but we're we both get around with cantonese pretty good

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_06] jeff jarvis is in our discourse yeah i studied chinese jeff hates me oh no yeah i had a chinese doctor the other day i said cheshanine and he said bush yet and that was the extent of my chinese

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_03] oh whatever that's your sentence here it is it's my sense you knew that sentence you've heard me say

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_06] that sentence many times you know it's funny i put whisper uh large on my uh computer to do a voice uh just uh oh whisper flows great whispers well i actually have the you know just the whisper model running and it understands chinese so when i say what's your house i had to show her what's that jing gong google yeah dashway joshua it translated it and i thought well my chinese must be pretty good

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_03] yeah no i i i test my chinese with it all the time i did i did i did french too and it translated that it's hysterical i'm like you i memorized a chinese sentence i pull out it's impressive let's hear it it's uh if i were you i wouldn't eat that i wish i i better memorize that for my trip and here we

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[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_06] show oh my god uh we're back from the noodle factory and uh there is much to talk about so open ai this was a wild story the first thing that leaked out was uh we discovered somebody bugging our executive conference room the one where we talk about the most secret stuff at open ai uh they found a little bug device

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_06] plugged into the tv in the usb right yeah i guess for power extensively to power it yeah but it was unaccountably it was wrapped in toilet paper i don't know it's a bit of a tell but okay and then they put a camera in effect open ai has actually been focused on security a lot more lately they put a camera in there and the employee came back to get it so it wasn't streaming the conversation it was

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_06] storing it it was recording it yeah that's the mistake and they found they found the guy because

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_03] there was a camera and they saw him checking the yeah they put a kit they knew he was going to come

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_06] back to get it so they put a camera and they found him coming to get it they got it there is also his

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_02] spouse was searching on chat gpt yes for how did what recording devices to find which means this was not a government operation this was a stock trading operation this was a corporate espionage situation not the saudi government because they have their own devices and they're super sophisticated they would

[01:50:11] [SPEAKER_06] not leave it it is pretty unsophisticated yeah that's the though he has now been arrested department of justice you're not going anywhere arrested him as a spy a saudi arabian national abdu raman al-fazan he worked at a bc firm yeah he joined the product team in july uh last year as an engineer he was fired on friday and arrested immediately that's a bad day you know you're

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_06] yeah that's a bad day arrested well he got arrested he was he had a one-way ticket back to saudi arabia with his wife oh really and they arrested him 90 minutes before he got on the plane so close he was so close

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_02] to not going to jail for a decade corporate so you think it was corporate and it wasn't it wasn't it's somebody's making a somebody's making a trade so here's the thing there's some buddy who has hundreds of millions of dollars billions of dollars at stake in these companies and is trying to make a decision of when to liquidate that position or when to double down on that position and they just want more information so when it goes and becomes public they can trade on

[01:51:22] [SPEAKER_02] it that's all they're doing here if it was a literal spy they would have been able to put a device in there that wasn't found it wasn't wrapped in toilet paper and they wouldn't need their spouse to research on open ai logged in logged into opening i saying okay you're right totally totally so unsophisticated

[01:51:41] [SPEAKER_06] it's laughable by the way i should probably say alleged you know alleged it is alleged but corporate

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_03] espionage is as old as silicon valley right i mean do you remember i it's a little bit before our time but in 81 the fbi set up that fake company to sell ibm's uh pc secrets and allegedly someone at hitachi bought them and and then recently wasn't that engineer from google there was some kind of waymo versus uber oh yes corporate espionage thing what was that in 2021 or something anthony lindowski

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_02] brought a hard drive with him allegedly allegedly and was allegedly pardoned

[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_03] he was he was pardoned wasn't he yeah corporate espionage i'd be surprised if people are giving out

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_06] pardoned like they're giving out uh executive orders these um they are all right well i guess

[01:52:40] [SPEAKER_02] that's all we have to say about that i mean it's pretty i i mean it's really uh been going on for a while you have chinese spies everywhere in silicon valley that's right and silicon valley is the most lax security system i've ever seen you got people leaving the iphone 4 in a bar getting bought by gawker for five grand like it is a super unsophisticated place that needs to get super

[01:53:08] [SPEAKER_02] sophisticated real quick because i mean apple was great at it despite losing the iphone 4 which would have left the building oh i remember that yeah that was a weird one we got offered that and gadget to buy it i got down yeah they were like uh hey boss somebody's trying to sell us the iphone 4 and gawker's gonna buy it or gizmodo's gonna buy it i was like uh that would be a crime please encourage the person to sell it to nick denton because then he'll get pinched and then

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_02] i'll have a less competitor so tell them that we're not going to bid but expressly tell them that the

[01:53:41] [SPEAKER_06] folks at gizmodo will pay double and they by the way gizmodo was banned from apple events for years yes as was i they're back i never did any of that we got banned for 48 hours i had to like email i'm

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_02] still banned since 2011 it was over the iphone 4 because we did a blog post called antenagate and oh you were the ones who here's what happened somebody put the word antenagate in the replies peter rojas or ryan block made that a story and took it from the comments because we had a philosophy the inmates were on the asylum we would have such a good community that the comments kind of like

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_02] uh club twit which is only 10 bucks a month it's the best 10 bucks you could spend on anything go to club.com and do you search google you get in there i'm a member and so is jeff jarvers putting it aside they promoted it then steve jobs banned us i emailed steve and i was like steve our guys are going to get reports people are going to be sending reports to them over text messaging we've been to everything we've done we created the steve note the live blog was

[01:54:45] [SPEAKER_02] created by peter rojas at and ryan block at engadget they pioneered that i said the guys were crestfallen they're going to be outside their place in moscone like we didn't mean any harm by it and then literally at 2 a.m he replied back to me you're good and they gave us our credentials overnight and then they were allowed back in but steve was on top of it wow he's been happy when i came out

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_03] with i was jobs contacted me and said i'd like to read the book and i said i'd like you to write the forward of the book he said send me a copy i sent him a copy he read i sent him one chapter you got an attorney letter yeah he read the first five chapter and called me screaming you will never sell this book at the apple store never never and i it didn't occur to me that i could argue him down because

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_06] well you've got why would you care if you could sell it at the apple store to be honest yeah well

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_02] steve was that's all he could do i guess steve was the best level of petty he was yeah exceptionally petty in all the best ways like everything mattered to him yeah and that's why they made the best products

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_06] in the world everything mattered that's a good way you know it it's a double-edged sword it and at the same time people who are petty it's my he hated android so bad and sued them well that's because they

[01:56:02] [SPEAKER_02] double-crossed him yeah eric schmidt was on the board of apple and they're like he leaked it and he's like hey guys i don't want to say but maybe we should have a piece of glass with an operating

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_06] system on it as well the story was they had a phone they were shipping with android i think it was the first android phone and they saw the iphone and they pulled it back they said oh we cannot sell this

[01:56:26] [SPEAKER_02] now yeah no keyboard we need to go for the yeah it's the glass black mirror yeah yeah the first android phone not such a great phone i have my favorite level of petty now i love people who are petty like this like where they just the unreasonable amount of anger over something that's so de minimis like your book or the keynote or like antenna game whatever it is and so there's a guy on tiktok who i

[01:56:48] [SPEAKER_02] love he is he cares about public spaces in new york and he goes and visits public spaces because in order to build like a skyscraper they were like you can build that skyscraper an extra 10 stories if you give us a public park at the base of it now i used to love these places i used to when i was in school in manhattan i'd go hang out in these public spaces they were great these scumbags uh who own the buildings have started closing them off and pretending they're private spaces no they're not which is infuriating

[01:57:17] [SPEAKER_02] yes so this guy beaches all this guy does on his instagram and tiktok is he goes to those spaces and he starts recording and the security guards come out and they're like you can't be here and he's like i can be here and he brings out the forms then he he's got and he's got a person inside mondami's you know department and he sends them who's doing it and mondami's like the greatest like you know media thinker in the world and for politicians i mean he is a despite what you think of

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_06] him he's a world-class politician any socialist who can get donald trump to embrace him exactly

[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_02] doing something right he's literally got the trump savant media thing so now he gives fines for thousands of dollars to these people then this guy gets to go and this guy does a meetup at the place with the fines and then torches the person so now they have 10 times as many people there and then he records

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_06] that and then he calls out what do you remember the name of this who owns the building do you remember

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_02] the name of this tick tock i'm gonna you guys carry on somebody don't worry about somebody will

[01:58:17] [SPEAKER_06] tell us in the chat room they're looking somebody in uh club twit is it is it a uh it's a tick tock or an instagram the instagram is where i follow them okay hold on actually open ai and apple are in an open battle over uh some employees leaving apple and going to open ai uh via johnny ives uh love actually or whatever the name of his company is uh which open ai bought they're making something uh there we

[01:58:46] [SPEAKER_06] think and are you talking to your grok bot i'm looking for the public spaces guy sorry are you

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_02] talking to your 780 lord of the bench 780 lord of bench lord instagram on insta the greatest account ever it is so great well it's the second greatest after salt hank right i mean salt hank is incredible

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_06] these are the two things in new york that matter as soon as i type 780 it came right up oh there it is violation served oh look at this that is it's the i mean play one of them it is so great look at this

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_02] anyone that has a security guard in it confronting him is the best so like if you scroll down oh this is the police who are telling him he can't at rockefeller's center i know this place i used to hang out in this place and they're telling him he can't film and he's like but it's a public space he's like oh yeah you're right so the new york city cop gives him credit he's like you're right you can record here doesn't have anything about filming this guy's so petty he's he's brave because oh

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_02] go a couple down and find like a security guard so now i'm sorry sir you're not there's one see the security guard so this is his other specialty he goes he gets the security guards to engage with him and so they come out and then they get upset it's so great it's so petty it's amazing looking at me dude we're getting mugged out by guys today

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_03] so you want to talk about something else talk about the microsoft maya 300 chip have you noticed that all these chips that the vendors are coming out with they're all just tsmc chips right the maya 300 the jalapeno from open ai the what's the amazon one called tranium something in for rentia the problem

[02:00:35] [SPEAKER_06] is no one can make these chips at that scale except for taiwan except for tsmc yeah so so so they're all competing with each other for limited capacity right and right it used to be apple would buy all their chips then nvidia came along and said you know excuse me apple i got a bigger checkbook now nvidia buys up all the capacity now here comes micro

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_06] boy i'd like to be tsmc in this equation microsoft broadcom amazon um these the maya chip is massive by the way it's huge not coming till next year supposed to be much more efficient making hardware like this why do they is it because they want nvidia's a share of nvidia's gold yeah

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_03] bucket of gold yeah everybody wants a piece of that nvidia's has what is it 90 market share on ai

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_06] chips something like that maybe this make this stuff cheaper no because it's all the same factory

[02:01:34] [SPEAKER_03] well they say that they have 40 more tokens per kilowatt or something i mean well but nvidia's doing

[02:01:41] [SPEAKER_06] that too the vera rubin is is like 10x more efficient it's going to create downward pressure

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_02] on margins is one of the great things about good capitalism is great anytime somebody figures something out competition comes and then there's this phrase we have your margin is our opportunity and so you know when you were google docs or gmail they looked at microsoft office suite and they looked at people who were selling online mail which would be like aol or yahoo used to charge for mail they looked at both of those and they were like okay you're a margin where you're making all your

[02:02:15] [SPEAKER_02] money we'll make that free close to free we get all those users then we'll figure out another way to make money from it which was for google advertising right they were using the data in gmail to you know target advertising better so this is what happens all the time now you have so many people going after nvidia in so many different ways that they nobody no one person has to sell more chips than them

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_02] but it will be death by a thousand competitors there'll be a verticalized chip for small language models there'll be people making desktop computers and desktop chips memory for inference you have grok and um what's the other public company that does inference chips uh oh yes uh yeah actually i've

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_06] interviewed this sir they're so fast they're unbelievable you can you can uh buy uh ai from cerebris directly they only have a few models but they they're super fast well and then

[02:03:14] [SPEAKER_02] the thing is these are going to be yeah they're going to be very tailored to use cases so there'll be one for math there'll be one that's really good for uh doing um you know uh statistics math these are all

[02:03:30] [SPEAKER_06] huge opportunity here because essentially it all started with intel's mmx matrix math processing in its intel processors way back when which you know the idea was 287 yeah yeah it would it would handle big chunks it would make the same operation against big chunks of memory and then nvidia actually it was before nvidia was 3dfx i think said hey that'd be good for video games because we have big

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_06] chunks of texture that we have to process for the video game so they made those yeah nvidia comes along makes video games and it turns out the same exact stuff this matrix math that ai does it fits but none of these really were purpose-built for ai inference no and i imagine there's some opportunity there for companies like microsoft cerebrus broadcom i mean apple i'm sorry google is

[02:04:27] [SPEAKER_02] making obviously tpus they were the first in the business amd has many different uh operations meta aws

[02:04:35] [SPEAKER_03] and open ai are also coming taiwan semi though the tpus are all tsmc well everybody makes even google's are made by tsmc google's are teslas aren't though i looked at this last night and i looked up everybody's chips and only tesla i can't figure out who makes that dojo chip it might be qualcomm maybe everybody

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_02] else uses tsmc but not tesla this is all gonna be again it's kind of like the memory situation when something works in technology everybody chases it and so you got so many people chasing this you'll have a bunch of them go out of business because they miss but you'll have some of them hit and it will be the person who benefits is the consumer ultimately so if you want to spend a hundred dollars on a smartphone right now you can get an incredible smartphone for a hundred bucks

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_02] that would have been state-of-the-art i don't know five to ten years ago and you could buy a used iphone from you know 2015 to 2020 for a hundred bucks that is an extraordinary value and so it's just all going to get cheaper better and faster cheaper better smaller and this is what metcalf

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_03] predicted back in the 70s with the network effect which says what if the number of users increases the benefit the network every time you add a note radically yeah every time you add a every time

[02:05:57] [SPEAKER_02] you add a node to the network the value is whatever i don't know squared value squared yeah quadratically more than exponentially yeah everybody we are living in the best of times when it comes to capitalism and competition we just have three things in the world especially here in the united states that are completely dysfunctional and making young people and people who are in the bottom half of society

[02:06:23] [SPEAKER_02] feel like they're boxed out education health care homes and so that's what i'm spending the last couple of decades of my life on is trying to invest venture capital and angel invest in those areas to solve those problems because those are problems that the free market hasn't solved completely but

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_03] we're on the verge of solving them education especially critical i i saw that chat gbt for for teens release and it's basically just doing kids homework you know i mean when with education right you've got to you know introduce the concept and then they practice and then they apply and that's what learning is but the ai kind of just takes the first one and it doesn't do that i actually have a uh

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_06] i have a bot in my um in my grok bot that is a teacher bot and i said tell me uh what books i should bring on the trip and it told me and i said okay and you're gonna work with me on those books and said yeah i'll give you a study guide and and all of that and i think that it's possible to use ai to teach

[02:07:26] [SPEAKER_03] effectively yes but chat gbt is not doing it it's also possible use it to teach kids just to sit back

[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_02] and yeah there's a um in my research i stumbled upon this uh blooms two sigma problem and it turns out one-on-one tutoring will make any student like two uh sigmas over better and so rich people have always had human yes it currently that's where the two sigma came from and so what they realized was you know rich people are just going to always have this advantage however um there is software being made now

[02:08:04] [SPEAKER_02] um and you can do this with any uh model right now you can say make me a workbook make me a lesson plan create quizzes etc we have a company brilliant.org that we invested in many years ago i i had oh

[02:08:18] [SPEAKER_06] brilliant yeah i used to use brilliant it was an iphone app to for your brain yes and it makes you

[02:08:24] [SPEAKER_02] really smart and it turned out the reason this worked was because they didn't sell it to schools they just sold it to parents yeah and for 20 30 bucks a month you could have the equivalent of a 200 an hour tutor and so i believe the two sigma problem which is rich people can afford tutors and anybody who has a child who they've gotten a tutor for to do the sats knows you go from whatever 800 is the average and you immediately go to a thousand or eleven hundred with three months of

[02:08:52] [SPEAKER_02] tutoring because it's a rigged test it's a finite test and yeah the tutoring is what makes a kid

[02:08:57] [SPEAKER_03] successful i mean i i wouldn't call myself a rich person but for sure eric had private basketball coaching private math coaching private singing coaching i did the max i think there's an ineffable

[02:09:09] [SPEAKER_06] part of that that's the human to human interaction that a machine can never do are you sure it will never be able to do it i feel that way yeah because the machine isn't a human and that there is there is a transaction between two people

[02:09:24] [SPEAKER_02] i agree that it might not be the peak but it will be 60 70 80 percent so between i'd agree a poor person can't afford it and a rich person can and right you know listen it's get you half the way it's obvious like all other things you you are better to have a person rich if you can afford that stuff totally you look globally you may not feel rich in the united states which is a problem um people see things on instagram like private jets or mansions or third homes and they just think oh

[02:09:53] [SPEAKER_02] i'm poor if you can afford any type of tutoring you're rich on a global scale yeah absolutely and

[02:09:59] [SPEAKER_03] one thing you know that they tell you as soon as you do like grad school for cognitive psych the first thing they tell you is that there's 120 years of research that shows that no one learns anything without practice and getting their hands dirty if you have a kid who doesn't practice piano between lessons yeah and so that's going to be the challenge for ai teaching and training yeah you can coach but

[02:10:24] [SPEAKER_03] how can you get that kid to practice and apply what they've learned because otherwise you forget 80 percent of all new material i think in 45 days i'd have to one of the real issues and it's for all

[02:10:35] [SPEAKER_06] humans kids of course but all humans is that there is in learning anything a period of time where it's painful it's uncomfortable yes you have to break through people don't want to go through that stage to get to accomplishment this is true of learning the piano it's true of learning a language it's true of learning anything yeah is at first it sucks yes i have a solution for this uh what's the

[02:11:00] [SPEAKER_02] people who are parents and listening um you have to show your kids by doing it with them that you will do the uncomfortable process so i'll suffer along with you yes pickleball is a great example so i took my 16 year old two years ago and the twins to go learn pickleball pickleball is hard to learn yeah i still

[02:11:20] [SPEAKER_06] think it sucks so i must be at the beginner's stage i've never played pickleball but why is it hard to

[02:11:24] [SPEAKER_02] if you get to 20 hours you'll be you'll enjoy it but the first five hours not enjoyable the next 10 are okay of any it's true of any skill it's true it's not all skills not all skills some you can pick up quickly but chess skiing uh you know golf it's a lot of pain rock climbing you skiing is the example uh billiards so all you have to do is not fun for the first 100 hours i would say somewhere

[02:11:51] [SPEAKER_02] around the afternoon of day three you will put together an afternoon where you don't fall and you have some flow moments and then you'll be addicted so time to the flow moment is what i look at with the kids that's a good one time and i try to break through and i do it with them and so i'm going to do rock climbing next and you know i'm i'm terrified of heights so it's going to be hard for me to do it like in a gym and i'll do it with them but anyway um the other company uh i invested in

[02:12:18] [SPEAKER_06] is called icon i'm looking at this icon so these are i've seen these in in videos these are cement printers right concrete yes 3d cement printers if you scroll down you'll see the technology working

[02:12:30] [SPEAKER_02] so i had a company called 3d printed homes that is wild yeah this is my second swing at bat i did a company called blockable i lost millions of dollars my investors high on that one trying to do homes in factories that were module that were then brought to locations and put together it didn't work you know there were mistakes made there were lessons learned like everything but this is the

[02:12:51] [SPEAKER_06] one so what they do is they 3d print the frames extrude oh so there's a frame there is a frame no no no

[02:12:57] [SPEAKER_02] frame it's they built it uh the technology is a giant 3d printer here i'll give it to you it's on the technology page if you go to the top if you go it's on the top the uh what would a house like

[02:13:07] [SPEAKER_03] that cost if i wanted to it's going to be half the price of current houses look at this it'll reduce

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_02] it by half yeah so so it is hollow yes so you could put insulation or something in there why and uh wiring yeah and as it goes around in a circle uh and they're building the system to do this you can see it where like the tip goes and then just makes uh a 3d printing like in a circle like your 3d printer on your desk making little tchotchkes right you know ornaments remember we had the 3d printing

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_02] craze uh you know 15 years ago it was awesome you could build like little fabricated parts but the technology here just prints uh a layer of cement uh over and over and over again it makes that ribbed

[02:13:53] [SPEAKER_03] wall uh and eventually show this benito because you still have the extruder that part of a 3d printer

[02:14:01] [SPEAKER_02] but you're creating concrete yeah and what you're doing here is you'll be able to they have government contracts to build barracks and stuff like that and then you can put whatever you want on the cement so if you don't like the aesthetic of cement but you can build this for 20 a square foot um there is a

[02:14:18] [SPEAKER_06] limit covered with the house can look obviously it's going to have to be kind of you can snap

[02:14:23] [SPEAKER_02] anything onto the outside leo if you wanted to do a brick cover a brick cover can you or you could do brick you could look like uh shingles and cape cod whatever you want yeah this is yeah but we could be solving is it expensive no it's super cheap 20 a square foot to build a house so you want to build a 25 40 50 percent less than the average home being and this is probably this is the part i always want

[02:14:49] [SPEAKER_06] to show and this is the part we keep cutting away from you missed it again okay it's hard

[02:14:53] [SPEAKER_02] no it's the 3d printer there it is there's the tip squirting it out there of the little

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_06] nozzle extruder just that's wild yeah and is it it's it's probably a more solid than uh frank wood

[02:15:06] [SPEAKER_02] frame or brick fireproof it will last 100 years yeah you know pick anything you want any vector it's

[02:15:13] [SPEAKER_03] better so have you filed a bunch of ip on this i mean what would be the barrier to entry for something

[02:15:18] [SPEAKER_02] you know it turns out uh the barrier to entry to technology companies is your relentlessness and solving problems and true doing the distribution it winds up almost never being the patents so a lot of people have tried in this space to build 3d printers for stuff it's who can get product market fit and deploy it and they have a lot of contracts with the builders so they're providing this to the home builders the kb homes and those kind of people and they love it and they've got the military using it so if

[02:15:48] [SPEAKER_06] you're the military more than a single story right it's not limited i mean if you want to yeah you can

[02:15:51] [SPEAKER_02] go to the second third story i think what's going to happen is 27 feet is the limit yeah so today today that's two stories right yeah two in an attic i guess or just two really tall stories but they've got a military contract now that's public so you want to go back does it go through the concrete how does what work wi-fi um you will just put it on the inside i guess yeah yeah yeah which actually might not be a bad

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_06] thing you're you're kind of rf insulated yeah it is the obvious solution the problem is

[02:16:23] [SPEAKER_02] how's it doing earthquakes oh credible yeah the stuff is super super stable so it'll be fine i think that the only thing you have to worry about in earthquakes is very tall buildings and their foundations you know if you're that that's the big problem is like well rich kohio new york san francisco it's not good because you want it and height is your enemy at height yeah height and then also like are you in that like that leaning tower in san francisco millennium tower yeah yeah they built

[02:16:49] [SPEAKER_02] it on it's yeah but they built it on top of sand and then they didn't build the like everything struts deep enough so how did they let them build that like what what corrupt person signed off on that

[02:16:59] [SPEAKER_06] who let them do that all right let's take a little break more to come you're watching this week in tech and concrete houses with jason calacanis of this week in startups and all in interesting how do you get the little all-in logo on your name on twitter how does that oh i think you just pay like 10 bucks

[02:17:18] [SPEAKER_02] a month per person you pay for it yeah you apply for a business account and then i want to i want

[02:17:23] [SPEAKER_03] to twit little logo after my name yeah i canceled my twitter account when they took away my blue check mark i just have you'll be back that i probably will be back you know what took my blue check mark away

[02:17:35] [SPEAKER_06] they took it away and they gave it back well you have to pay for it to get you got yours back some people got it back for him because i had half a million followers i think elon thought maybe he

[02:17:45] [SPEAKER_03] might have like two or three hundred thousand but uh they took that blue check mark away and if you

[02:17:50] [SPEAKER_02] don't like that i get brigaded by like all the dark forces you're gonna get brigaded today because you were on this show i'm sure yeah and then certain people won't be on the show with me there are so do you guys not do blue sky it's like come on don't be a coward cory

[02:18:06] [SPEAKER_03] kind show and just debate me but you don't do blue sky or threads or any of those i mean i have

[02:18:12] [SPEAKER_02] dabbled in all of them blue sky is a bunch of panicking like folks i i don't want to be on blue sky i don't want to be on truth social i hate the people at the ends of the margins i like the people who are thoughtful and intelligent and make a decision on first principles each time we have a

[02:18:29] [SPEAKER_06] mastodon twitter.social and i i love it but it's just that's the network effect uh that's bob metcalf's network back to metcalf it just can't you can't just place twitter started and it's too late i left x the minute elon bought it uh but i'm back because that's where the information is literally

[02:18:48] [SPEAKER_02] every and every new ceo now is engaging so jensen came on he started twittles there apple john turn turn turnus turny turnus yeah he's now got an account he's engaging um satya's engaging can

[02:19:04] [SPEAKER_06] talk to you and zuckerberg's engaging i'll tell you something i don't like about x it makes me mad is it's a aggressively algorithmic and it's impossible to do uh chronological so when i

[02:19:15] [SPEAKER_02] load up second tab over is your feed of your followers so just go to no no but i want to look

[02:19:20] [SPEAKER_06] at the ai feed look this is 15 hours old go to follow this is seven hours old i can go to following and that's more that's that's or make lists so you have lists look you have i have lists i should make

[02:19:30] [SPEAKER_02] list you gotta go to look and then here we are have your grok bot make there's the fat leo and

[02:19:35] [SPEAKER_06] jason hug look at us giving hugging it out chubby so doc dot i love what happened to doc he was on a

[02:19:41] [SPEAKER_02] couple weeks ago you want to go on with him again he's a character no i want to who jeff jarvis uh and

[02:19:47] [SPEAKER_06] uh who hates me you're all jarvis we didn't say this on the show this was during the commercial jeff was your professor at cuny when you were 18 i made it up i made it up oh you're a son of a i was trying to make your whole credibility shot we'll be back with more with gina smith dr gina smith doctor from idc and the lion son of a gun jason calicari mini troll you you're all right i totally

[02:20:15] [SPEAKER_02] believed it i did too like jeff is like my grandpa and he's like your older brother leo he's like 80 you're like 60 i'm like 50. he's basically my age no he's much older than you he's at least 10 years older than he's old he's been around a long time he's very old this trip i'm taking is extremely

[02:20:33] [SPEAKER_06] old is my 70th birthday present for myself and he's just a couple of years older i'm joking but

[02:20:39] [SPEAKER_03] you know what 70 we should have a party for you did you turn 70 leo i didn't know that you're not

[02:20:43] [SPEAKER_02] 70. i remember your 40th birthday wait are you 70 really leo you're 70 i will be when next year uh november 29th when oh i'm november 20 early we're like one day apart we're both sagittarius

[02:20:56] [SPEAKER_06] sagittarius wait that's november 29th what was my 40th birthday like i don't remember i don't know

[02:21:02] [SPEAKER_07] i we were on a trip or something and we went out to dinner it was the 80s it was tons of

[02:21:07] [SPEAKER_03] cocaine i don't remember anything mode it was the 90s early 90s wasn't it it was the 90s baby all

[02:21:16] [SPEAKER_02] the 90s were great to be 40 years old in the 90s was awesome we had some fun then

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[02:23:13] [SPEAKER_06] twit and from the bottom my heart thank you cashfly now back to twit i sound like i'm 70 on that ad but

[02:23:20] [SPEAKER_02] that's because i had just done 60 ads that was the last one i mean this is the people don't know the price you pay for a successful podcast number one you can never quit yeah you could never i should be retired you can't quit the audience you will be extraordinarily upset i i always said though i would

[02:23:41] [SPEAKER_06] as soon as the audience says you're done i'm done i'm not gonna never say it's a power never say i want to show you this this is my plaque this is in honor of leo laporte who had a verified twitter account before they were available for purchase that's hilarious november 2022 that's the that's when you made that bought it yes there was a company selling it actually oh that's great and i i said oh i have to have that but i still have that but that was then i had lost the blue check and then i

[02:24:07] [SPEAKER_03] had it back anyway it's it's they didn't give me my blue check back twitter left that's why if you

[02:24:11] [SPEAKER_02] twitter is better than everything everybody who is a conscientious objector is back uh the guys from admit it but it's true because every it's all the important discussions the problem is there's a brigade brigading problem there's a bot problem do what i did tell everybody one dollar a month to charity to hit be in your replies i'll do that yeah or just take the money for yourself leo and then you can okay no you deserve it but you know what i don't make it well i don't want to have an obligation to

[02:24:40] [SPEAKER_06] post i post once in a while i don't want to have an obligation just what you tell your audience

[02:24:43] [SPEAKER_02] one post a week okay i could do that and it's uh the same price as club twit and if you sign up there if you email this address you get your club twit turned on so just make it another channel and just say you'll read your replies once in a while and then interact with the people who reply and it is

[02:25:00] [SPEAKER_06] chef's kiss a wonderful experience again i don't i huh yeah i don't know if i'm suppressed i might be

[02:25:08] [SPEAKER_02] suppressed you're not they got rid of that they got rid of the whole i'll tell you why

[02:25:11] [SPEAKER_06] them and they don't do that anymore i have 444.8 000 followers but i you know so this last tweet of mine uh 8.5 000 views did none of these none of these get much traction so i think you might not be

[02:25:31] [SPEAKER_02] i'm not saying why people want to hear you're probably not active enough but if you start being more active then i think you'll get more people engaging with you you have to get people engaging and replying but they publish the algorithm if people share your tweet you get 20 points if people reply you get three if people retweet you get three so now the algorithm's public so just ask your grok bot like what should i do and if you made if you had your team say what were the best products

[02:25:59] [SPEAKER_02] talked about last month on the network and you just made uh you know a tweet storm and you don't have to do it your team will do it what are the and your bot can do it what are the 20 most interesting movies and books talked about on the twitter or people will bookmark it and it'll become an

[02:26:13] [SPEAKER_06] incredibly big post or those 444 000 followers are three quarters bots uh if you go to your

[02:26:21] [SPEAKER_02] you can find out analytics and you go to the creator studio it shows you how many are active so of my 1.8 million if i go to analytics 1.8 million followers well it all in drove a lot so and then sometimes elon retweets so that drove a lot yeah all you gotta do is get elon to treat you of my 1.7 million guess how many are active 10 in the last 24 hours 10 nope high much higher really yeah so in

[02:26:49] [SPEAKER_02] the last 24 hours 681 000 of mine are active so i have a pretty active account yeah wow yeah i can um

[02:26:57] [SPEAKER_06] that's impressed where do you find that in the creator studio in the creator studio yeah uh i see subscriptions live studio oh analytics there it is yeah here uh share my screen so here can you see my screen did i just don't want to see your screen oh stop no it's okay i'm just jealous anyway okay show his screen real quick and then show mine and you'll see why i'm jealous anyway it's just a function of

[02:27:22] [SPEAKER_02] like i do 20 tweets a day or something so here hold on my screen there you go okay 169 million on the

[02:27:30] [SPEAKER_06] bottom right yeah up 20 i got 20 000 but it is up 43 all you have to do is the other thing to do is have your bot say um have your here's the issue 11 000 verified followers out of 440 000 69 000 active followers yes so it's a fraction because you haven't been active so as people roll

[02:27:54] [SPEAKER_02] off or they create new accounts or whatever you're just not engaging with the the most recent group if you start engaging what you have to do is do clips from the show on your personal account the whole

[02:28:05] [SPEAKER_06] thing i'm so bad at promotion i hate that i don't want to me too i've always hated it because we came out

[02:28:10] [SPEAKER_03] of journalism and it feels like you're not allowed to promote people what they want there's a whole

[02:28:15] [SPEAKER_02] group of people who just want the clips from the show just clip the yeah well we do that we do the

[02:28:19] [SPEAKER_06] clips i just don't put them on my account put them on your personal account benito one a day send me

[02:28:23] [SPEAKER_02] the clips one a day just share it i'll have my body have to read your body one a day no not retweet it has to be published to his as an organic tweet don't retweet it you can hire some kid to do it but here's the other thing to do tell your bot to tell you who are your highest influence people following you already yeah and then say tell me every day their best tweets then you click on those tweets and you

[02:28:51] [SPEAKER_02] do it become a reply guy i am not gonna ever be a reply guy if you reply guy if you do my 10 day reply guy your stats will go way up leo 10 day reply guy that's never gonna be a reply guy huh is that like

[02:29:07] [SPEAKER_06] you start by dying 90 day fiance amazon has over 1 million robot workers doesn't that seem like

[02:29:16] [SPEAKER_02] there's a lot of jobs that uh they're gonna maybe it's a job they're the story buy buy amazon stock now they are going to be the most efficient profitable company in the world it's certainly efficient no humans

[02:29:29] [SPEAKER_03] it makes so i mean a related story is masayoshi son of course son son softbank uh saying that he's trying to raise a hundred billion dollars and what he's using the money for is to buy companies to do the same thing that amazon's doing totally roboticized and ai a size all kinds of different buildings son's uh record a little checkered these oh totally you're right wasn't he the we work guy yeah but

[02:29:55] [SPEAKER_03] you know what he's also the yahoo guy you need to hit one you only need to hit one he has a lot of successes but there are many right hey you remember map quest of course anybody ever use map quest find

[02:30:09] [SPEAKER_06] your flock camera on that they are they're making a bid to come back now i use apple maps and google maps and maybe ways but map quest was the original remember you would before you go anywhere you'd print

[02:30:20] [SPEAKER_02] out a map from map quest yeah 100 yes it was like that was mind-blowing but here's the thing about amazon uh there was internal documents that got leaked where they were talking about not hiring like the next million people right and they were trying i sent you the new york times story about this up right now yeah and jassy then wrote a deal wrote a memo to the company and made it public

[02:30:44] [SPEAKER_02] saying like hey ai is going to have a profound impact he kind of was signaling it so when people tell you what they're doing pay attention yeah and he just listen and they are going to replace every factory worker and every delivery driver with automated technologies robots zoeks etc it's they're all getting replaced and you're talking about and and they were talking about how do we deal with this in the future in local

[02:31:13] [SPEAKER_02] communities where those amazon jobs are going away how do they can pay them a universal basic income is what well they said give money to toys for tots so close it up yeah close it up that's their plan give more money to toys for just marketing people were like how do we deal with the press and somebody in the meeting said toys for tots it's literally in the story i sent you god

[02:31:39] [SPEAKER_02] that's here it is documents show the company has considered building an image as a quote good corporate citizen through greater participation in community events such as parades and toys for tots

[02:31:51] [SPEAKER_03] remember csr it's corporate social responsibility is back we talked about that i mean it's going to be

[02:31:58] [SPEAKER_02] um this this will be the front lines it's not going to be white collar workers there's so many opportunities for white collar workers it's going to be bonkers because everybody can start a company and there's so many problems to solve and it's going to be amazing all right so they should take the

[02:32:13] [SPEAKER_03] factory workers and train them all to be electricians but then they're going to all be driving tester roses

[02:32:19] [SPEAKER_06] all over the place it's not going to happen and and there's going to be a huge number of people out of work on the streets not eating uh this is a this is without medicaid with without no health care

[02:32:35] [SPEAKER_02] without obamacare yeah so the meta did something right they have a workforce academy so what they're doing is they're training people for free to learn to be electricians and to build data centers because we need more electric frankly plumbers electricians i can't get a handyman to save my life this is where the jobs are going to bifurcate either like superhuman activities which is building stuff

[02:33:01] [SPEAKER_02] and supervising the robots building stuff then there's going to be on the white collar side supervising the developer bots building stuff so if you look at what does the developer do today you you mentioned earlier in the show leo there's one group of developers who are like i want to bespoke build code and i don't want to give because i love it i love working in a team and then there's another group who are like you know i just don't like other developers i just want to have a bunch of agents produce stuff because these other developers are annoying and

[02:33:30] [SPEAKER_02] persnickety and they want raises and they want time off and they don't want to come to the stand up yada yada and so you have that group who are like i just love having 50 agents working for

[02:33:40] [SPEAKER_06] me overnight and then i check in their code i love programming it's one of them it was a hobby for years for 40 years i love it it's satisfying i get in the flow i enjoy it i haven't written line of code in a year ever since opus 4 5 came out november 24th 2025 a day i will never forget and i actually really enjoy coding with agents because there's still that higher level process

[02:34:04] [SPEAKER_06] of thinking about it planning it organizing it and reining them in gina this is your field though is

[02:34:11] [SPEAKER_03] it's gonna training is gonna explode as a result of all of this it's such a great investment to make because all there's gonna have to be wholesale training of everybody the blue-collar workers the white-collar workers training for these new positions you must have studied this workforce

[02:34:27] [SPEAKER_06] academy that meta is doing is this yeah is this is it real or is it is it it's real it's real and

[02:34:32] [SPEAKER_03] it's not just them look at the investments that you're seeing across the board and it training technical training look at a company called or cara uh just actually was purchased i think but it's all about verifying skills so a big problem that companies have is they really don't know who has what skills right like it's kind of a black box and so what you do is you verify skills you know with

[02:34:58] [SPEAKER_03] it's ai assisted software that can actually test someone it rolls up a simulation and so you can you can secure a kubernetes instance can you do it you've got four minutes people who just will never be able to do that right i mean do what i mean any secure kubernetes instance maybe they can become electricians i guess i don't know but training for everything not just high technical skills but training in human

[02:35:26] [SPEAKER_02] judgment is it's just back to motivation again leo the the the word that no socialists want to talk about or uh or people on either extreme of the horseshoe the individual sovereignty and their ability to be motivated to uh improve their lot in life that is always the hard thing and you know all these people with graduate degrees on one side or lazy people on the other they they have to have the will to spend an

[02:35:54] [SPEAKER_02] hour to a day to improve their skills to be able to operate in this new world and it's free it's free to go use these tools these tools are free slash close to free it's true there's no excuse

[02:36:07] [SPEAKER_03] now for not learning a hundred percent that's true and when i was living in that's the message we need to give people you meet people all the time they say oh i've lived here for 12 years i speak no chinese how is it you're able to order in the restaurant it's like you spend no effort you can learn how to order and talk to an uber and say thank you and ask for the check you really can but people make no effort they feel like school's over and i'm not everybody wants a handout everybody wants yeah well not

[02:36:36] [SPEAKER_02] everybody there's a group of people who are just like give me i want a free graduate degree i want to go study media studies or whatever it's like look at the world and there's this um japanese concept of um it'll come to me in a second anyway you can just make three or four circles leo one of them is what you're good at one of them is what the world needs and one of them is what the world is willing

[02:37:01] [SPEAKER_02] to pay for and ikigai is what it's called pull up ikigai uh uh ikigai the japanese secret um and if you look at ikigai on um google it means reason a reason for being yeah i thought ikigai is a life purpose what is your life that's another way to put it and so you have to look at the formula is

[02:37:26] [SPEAKER_02] for ikigai is what you can be paid for what the world needs what you love is the one i missed that and what you're good at that's what it is show this so you look at your son jason showed a screen i lost yours so i need oh sorry about that i blocked you stole my screen man you stole my screen blocks you um but if you look at this this explains everything yeah and you know you look at your son right he'd

[02:37:49] [SPEAKER_02] love to cook the world love to pay for a nice beef sandwich with the dip right like if you said what does the world want it may not want some fancy dancy michelin star food but you know what everybody likes a french dip good french dip there's nothing delicious it's freaking delicious and what are you good at he's good at making the french dip he knows how to make the beef he's good at making find your magical skill so the world needs a french dip they're willing to pay for a french do you think

[02:38:18] [SPEAKER_02] everyone do you think everyone can find a place in of course they can and the problem with the dialogue today is everybody wants to debate politics instead of ikigai just sit everybody down what are you good at and what do you love and is the world willing to pay for this and does the world need it and then everybody would have it this is another way of saying purpose right but you can't have your purpose be i want to fight for indigenous people who have an amputee that that and i want a virtue

[02:38:48] [SPEAKER_02] single because nobody's willing to pay for it right okay that's a hobby that's a that's a passion too but

[02:38:54] [SPEAKER_03] it's not paying your rent right yeah i'm with you jason i'll tell you i just recently did research i ran a survey of 1400 enterprise leaders and asked them what is the number one skill your company needs to be ready for ai and everyone said analytical judgment we already talked about that but then when you ask schools what is we'll get that from experience and practice leo but the we asked the second question is what

[02:39:19] [SPEAKER_03] skill are you most missing and overwhelmingly everyone said learning agility employees who have the ability to say yeah i can learn that i can change the way i do things because at the rate of technology technological acceleration everybody working at a company needs to be fast moving and

[02:39:40] [SPEAKER_06] fast learning kevin always used to say that i don't hire the smartest guy i have the guy who can learn

[02:39:46] [SPEAKER_02] that's right a passion for learning is just so important yeah so important totally well on that note

[02:39:53] [SPEAKER_06] uh i thank you both what a great show i'm so much fun where are you based where are you

[02:39:59] [SPEAKER_03] the i'm in seattle jason i'm i'm right here i'm i'll connect with you on linkedin if we're not already connected uh jason at calacanis.com is my email first name at lesson but if you ever make your way

[02:40:11] [SPEAKER_02] through texas uh let's get some um brisket or beef ribs where's the best barbecue is it franklin's okay so what you always have this this is what the non-residents say what's the best barbecue with the right question is what's the best specific barbecue dish so what's the best brisket you got to get that would be franklin's and that would be salt lick so if you said best beef ribs then you go

[02:40:35] [SPEAKER_02] in terry black's if you said best bison rib then you're saying salt lick so you you have to and then if you want to go for uh smoked um pork belly that's a different thing pork ribs is different

[02:40:48] [SPEAKER_06] the beef ribs it's all different yeah so you're you're picking a dish i smoke slide i get up at three in the morning follow the traeger you got the trade i got the traeger oh so great i smoked that and man that is the best smoke since i got here but here's the key easy to buy it gotta get well i know if i had a brisket place down the road i probably wouldn't because it's a real get up at 3 a.m to do this it's worth it's hardcore but you also my secret is snake river farms wagyu brisket yes

[02:41:18] [SPEAKER_06] snake river farm so good you know once i went to costco got the brisket there not as good no god if you're gonna smoke in those meats you gotta get the good meat smoking meats

[02:41:29] [SPEAKER_02] all about the ingredients right no it's a reference to um mark zuckerberg just had the 20th anniversary of smoke remember that yeah now i did smoke and meats that was uh that was awesome so i can interpret

[02:41:44] [SPEAKER_06] that however you want i went to my grok bot because i thought maybe i asked my travel bot could you find the movies that are going to be on the airplane it did i said are they gonna have you can uh you can see everything they said no they are not but i can't watch the devil wear prada too so i'll

[02:42:02] [SPEAKER_02] be all right oh man i hit a starlink flight the other day on united oh i mean i was i and it was only from austin to la not to japan but i was taking united japan and i emailed the ceo of united because i'm famous now leo and i just assume he knows who i am and he got back to me immediately and i said listen starlink's mind-blowing what's the story with starlink on the long-haul flights

[02:42:28] [SPEAKER_02] and he said oh you know this specific aircraft manufacturer is like takes a long time getting a little tussle with delta over all of the delta guy was like he's a anti-trump anti-elon yeah he said

[02:42:42] [SPEAKER_06] he wouldn't he didn't want to he's like i don't want to have it on it's bad which is not true it's

[02:42:49] [SPEAKER_02] literally like an inch high and it has no impact on drag but he's an anti-trump elon guy so he was like i'm not doing it i'm a conscientious objector to you on and then all of his customers were like hey dummy like we want broadband we don't care about anybody's political statement so what is this system on delta that they're using they're waiting like three or four years for the uh leo satellites

[02:43:15] [SPEAKER_06] that leo that's working on with jeff bezos i will get those satellites up as fast as i can when you get back from vacation you have my first vacation i just checked eva has the panasonic

[02:43:26] [SPEAKER_03] satellite wi-fi and they say it's terrible isn't it just nice to bring a book on a plane and not be

[02:43:33] [SPEAKER_06] online i'm going to read the ramayana because i need to get up on all of the uh mythology of the area i'm going to i am off patanjali's yoga sutras it's good airplane reading say it again patanjali

[02:43:49] [SPEAKER_03] it's yoga sutras it's an ancient indian text it's the basis of all yoga but it's really interesting

[02:43:55] [SPEAKER_06] i didn't know i'm kind of a doubt of jing kind of guy wow same idea explaining reality

[02:44:03] [SPEAKER_02] steven king biography uh is there a biography of steven king well on writing is kind of yeah it's fantastic i thought that's fantastic steve martin biography also great i've

[02:44:14] [SPEAKER_06] read that i have read that hey you guys you can read i was born standing up i was there's this great biography all about steve was pretty great pretty you know what steve looks like he's doing

[02:44:25] [SPEAKER_02] great i'll give you a sleeper i'll give you a sleeper um akira kurosawa is something like an autobiography the famous i love kurosawa's i do too his autobiography nobody knows about it something like an autobiography so good something so good mike ovitz who is mike ovitz incredible

[02:44:42] [SPEAKER_06] it's called who is mike ovitz yeah it's pretty great who is jason calacanis well just ask the president of united airlines he'll tell you you can catch him on the all-in podcast you guys do that on a regular every thursday we tape it comes out every friday perfect yeah and i think you could

[02:44:59] [SPEAKER_03] probably find it pretty quickly maybe that's what you should go to the charts and look at number one i liked how jason said i'm famous now leah that is the name of the show podcast famous is like right

[02:45:10] [SPEAKER_02] below the least famous reality tv star right literally right below whatever is trending on bravo

[02:45:20] [SPEAKER_06] somebody somebody who was mad 90 day fiance when i was working at tech tv got real mad at me and she said you're nothing but a second-rate celebrity on a class d cable channel i'll take it that's better exactly i said nailed it and now i'm a podcaster thank you jason always a pleasure to see you really appreciate it uh keep up

[02:45:46] [SPEAKER_06] the good work gina smith do you have a podcast anything you want to plug besides your great work at idc

[02:45:53] [SPEAKER_03] uh no nothing at the moment i'm thinking about writing a book about those crazy 90s days and i was at good morning america all those years i would love to read that yeah we would require my writing it i'm not on twitter but you know if you could talk to elon and guarantee my blue check

[02:46:11] [SPEAKER_05] mark back what is it bucks a month don't be such a cheapskate shoot the lock off your wallet

[02:46:17] [SPEAKER_03] yeah you and amazon web services i'm on linkedin and find ads on twit come on yeah well we'll have

[02:46:24] [SPEAKER_06] you both back soon i hope it's really been a great way to send me off on vacation i will be gone thanks for having us oh but tune into the show we got great hosts i'm always uh grateful when people show up to do this show because i know it's interminable no i do it twice a year i do it twice twice you i would have you on more but you've got this other thing you're doing i don't know this

[02:46:44] [SPEAKER_02] all twice a year perfect lock me twice a year when you're on vacation and you need a moderator feel free to ask oh i should have asked you actually any but no i mean moderation is my speciality so that's true i'm here that's true i love doing this show because leo we how many years

[02:47:01] [SPEAKER_03] did we do that radio show together and we were taking calls jason it wasn't a show where we just talk we actually answered calls often from farmers on tractors who had computer questions yes it was for four hours or five hours every sunday no vacation crazy years we did together next week

[02:47:23] [SPEAKER_06] micah sargent will be filling in for me devinder hardwar the week after that from engadget you might know something about them jason and father robert balance i'll be hosting i love father i like him desperately trying to buy engadget back they won't sell it back to me he's bringing on his buddy david hewlett the sci-fi author so oh that'll be a lot that'll be a great show that's interesting yeah um

[02:47:47] [SPEAKER_06] yeah hewlett uh what did he he was um no he's an actor he was in stargate that's right stargate actor but he's a geek so he'll be a lot of fun all right thank you all for being here i'll see you in a months have a great trip i'm really excited i hope i survive

[02:48:08] [SPEAKER_02] you will and thailand you gotta learn how to say you know what do you need a hotel when you're in

[02:48:14] [SPEAKER_06] singapore no no i've got a boat uh say say what i say salad well a man would say salad

[02:48:21] [SPEAKER_03] i'd call up salad a crap a woman yeah like crap but it's crap you'll see you'll learn how to do it greet people like this it's like salaam yes but you say club anytime you say a word you indicate that you're a male and you say club club yeah yeah you'll see and you do this you do the little yeah yes i was he clap is good morning you'll learn all this in thailand i promise you'll learn it

[02:48:46] [SPEAKER_06] it'll be a blast they're such nice people we do treat every sunday afternoon 2 to 5 p.m pacific 5 to 8 eastern 2100 utc you can watch us we stream it live on x but also youtube twitch facebook linkedin and kick so six different platforms and of course if you're a generous club twit member thank you club twit members you're keeping the show a foot a float and a foot foot a foot and a half uh if you're a club to it member you can watch in the club twit discord and just like you said

[02:49:16] [SPEAKER_06] jason when people pay a little bit the social network is that much better so 10 bucks a month ad free versions of all the shows so good the discord is so good and well that's so great about

[02:49:27] [SPEAKER_02] the i i jump into the discord once in a while because i see you there yeah it's great but you know what it's like by having that ten dollar a month you know like a latte and a half that opt-in makes it the top one percent of the audience here which is like really interesting fun people and you get rid of the trolls which are the bottom third of the audience so it's a nice experience no

[02:49:48] [SPEAKER_06] trolls nice real people smoking their meats there he is smoking me there he is smoking meats

[02:49:54] [SPEAKER_02] you guys should just here's what you guys should do in the in the in the club twit is just troll leo by doing classic memes with him in it because that's what my people do to me they do it it is hilarious it was ai there's nothing nothing stopping you from having me and leo smoking meats i mean it's not a euphemism it's we're literally it's not a euphemism it is not

[02:50:20] [SPEAKER_02] it's not code for anything no it's code it's code admit it it's minute

[02:50:25] [SPEAKER_06] that was the gregory wonderful gregory brothers uh who do those uh songify uh this it was one of their great song oh i don't remember songify is that still around uh i don't know is it i don't know uh we do this show uh on sundays but you can download it on my back anytime you want to from twitter.tv it's a youtube channel also and of course you can subscribe in your favorite podcast

[02:50:53] [SPEAKER_06] client and they get it automatically the minute it's done thank you for being here i'll see you later another twit see y'all thanks i smoke some meats